Just in case you forgot what it said: "Q: Can Special Lieutenant Orders be used by anyone other than the trooper who generated them in the Order Count step of the Tactical Phase? A: No, unless a rule specifies otherwise. For example, a trooper with NCO can use Lieutenant Orders without having generated them, but a trooper with Executive Order cannot use Lieutenant Orders that were generated by another trooper." In older versions of infinity before Tac Awareness, NCO, and Datatracker orders. An extra order was considered a dangerous bonus for a unit to obtain. Tag models pay a full SWC (and gain the scary trade-off of LoL if they go down) on most LT profiles for the privilege of gaining an extra order to spend on themselves. Two Suicidal attack pieces (and the slightly less suicidal Hac Tao), Shinobu and Van Zant, gained XO to allow them to show up, murder with their LT order, and then baton pass the LT back to the CoC user. Now that functionality is eliminated and XO only serves the purpose of giving your Suicidal Attack a very convoluted form of CoC, but is anyone in good faith arguing that the point of XO on Shinobu and Van Zant is for them to come on an save your LT just in the nick of time? I realize that the knee-jerk FAQ was likely over fears of CoC and LT2 giving a CoC users 2 whole orders they didn't generate. Setting aside the argument over whether that specific interaction is too powerful. I would like to submit that the XO skill be exempted from that skill. And if you are truly concerned about a Hac Tao getting 2 LT orders, just explicitly state that only LT2 users can use two orders. As it stands, XO has basically been relegated to the sad level of pointlessly narrow skills like Bio-metric Visor.
Yeah, XO commentary was disappointing. Apparently, Daoying + Hac Tao were breaking the game hard and should've been addressed. I mean, I was always under impression that using Lt order right there was the entire point of XO, seeing which models had it.
Well, I knew I should have double checked army before I did this. Now I feel even sadder for Van Zant.
Yeah, that's always been my view of the point of XO, and to give your opponent two possible LTs to try and hunt down even when you've spent the LT Order on the original LT. It's a Skill that costs one point (and 0.5 SWC in one case). As far as I'm aware, it's just restating the rules as written, that the LT Orders are specific to the trooper that generated them.
Yeah, where were you when people were talking about XO Hac Tao revealing and then spending the (previously unspent) LT order?
That’s literally not what it says though. “The Lieutenant of each army has a special extra Order that is for his use only. This Order is not included in the Order Pool, but kept separate for the Lieutenant to use.” One can easily argue a case of RAW that XO is entirely justified using the Lt. Order. When it states “his use only”, “his” is referring to the lieutenant, so in other words the Lt. Order is an order only useable by the lieutenant, which the XO becomes as soon as it reveals itself. Claiming that the XO cannot use the Lt. Order is plain RAW, is simply false and your summary is actually much more specific and clearly written than the actual rule itself.
With the way order spam is taking over the game, the one extra order on a big play like that isn't going to break the game.
The thing I love about this statement is that it implies order spam hasn't been one of the dominant list building tactics since I started playing in N2.
My main point regarding that is less so its dominance, but rather CB choosing to build into it, as opposed to working to circumvent it.
I've seen order spam since n1... is something in the game from the beggining, but only was an issue for some competitive people (the same that, after crushing you said "you need more orders")
Often because you lose by default without an adequate number, and meta choices (IE: lotsa camo) eat the enemy order pool while preventing them from killing, hence preventing them from getting to do the objectives
It almost sounds like you criticise people for knowing how to play and honestly sharing their experience and opinion with you twice.
This update insted of fixing if a hac tao can use just one leutinent order or two basically killed all the utility of the hability. Before the leutinent level 2 issue it worked pretty well and wasn't unbalanced (hac tao leutinent is good without considering that the only CoC was a pheasnt agent)
