So, the question is: if I get isolated by a Jammer or by Oblivion and still don't have used the order of TA, can I still use it or is it lost?
Yup, a TacWare order should be usable by the model with TacWare, even if you got Isolated, because it's Irregular.
Oh yes, that's really nice. I think new players will find less punitive to play a TAG now that you still can retreat them after suffering isolation or you can still put it in camo/suppressive fire.
I read that entering in Isolated state cancels the SF state, not that I can't be in SF if I'm already isolated.
It's pretty clear here what RAW is. The intent is less clear, since ISO is the only state here that does not prohibit declaring SF again.
Any time in the rules that 'becoming' a certain state forbids or cancels something, being in that state also cancels/forbids it. See impetuousness and cybermask on Aragoto, for example.
Where did you read that? Please reference that as this would be good to know. As far as I see it, once a trooper enters a state, the effects of the state apply. Isolated has no restirctions on skill declaration, in contrast to the other aforementiones states. So an isolated trooper may declare suppressive fire... Edit: an Isolated trooper will retain his tac-aware order...should probably just kill Scarface now whenever I can...
Isolated effect is : "While Isolated, troopers cannot receive Orders from their Order Pool." Tactical awereness order is not a part of the order pool ("While Isolated, troopers cannot receive Orders from their Order Pool.") So you can use the tactical awereness order when isolated, RAW are clear on this. FYI, impetuous is not a state
I'm using state more broadly here, but game states also follow this precedent. If entering a certain condition or effect cancels an already existing effect, being in that condition or effect prevents the declaration of the cancelled effect.
Nowhere, because it's not true Yes, impetuous cancel the cybermaski state AND prevent cybermasking once again But it's not because of a general rule, it's because it's written specifically in Imp-2 : "The impersonator becomes Impetuous (due to the Frenzy Characteristic or any other effect) or enters Retreat! state. In either case, the trooper loses his ability to use the Impersonation Special Skill.". Being impetuous make you loose the ability to go Imp-2 No such thing is written regarding SF and Isolated
I don't remember reading it, do you have a link so I can pin it ? How is the game getting strange without it ?
How is it not strange that you're able to enter a SF while Isolated when you're kicked out of it when getting Isolated? As far as my memory serves, IJW suggested to play that way, not that the rules explicitly stated it so. You are about as well equipped to find it as I am.
I don't see any logic to it. Isolated means your comm equipment is fried and you no longer receive order form the HQ. I don't see anything strange in a trooper reacting to this by shooting everything that move in front of him at maximum rate of fire I undestand how loosing all communication might surprise you enough to make you loose your stance, but it should not be enough to make a profesionnal soldier go dumb
It’s also no different than Suppressive Fire being cancelled by LoL or Retreat (army-level rather than the state), but still being able to re-enter SF while still in LoL or Retreat.
