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Jammers not getting Fireteam bonuses?

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Hecaton, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Hey there, heard about this and apparently it was in the Interplanetario stream. What's going on with this? It's a BS Weapon making BS Attacks, I can't see why it wouldn't get Fireteam bonuses.
     
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  2. Andre82

    Andre82 Well-Known Member

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    They had a stream! Can I still watch it?!
     
  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    It was using Twitch, I assume they will upload it to their YouTube (hopefully with comments as subtitles, and some overlays marking the actions taken order by order).

    I asked around, it seems like it was a "TO decision" since the first day of tournament, but there was no communication to players unless they asked about it...

    So you could reach the final without knowing it unless one of your opponents called a referee about you using Jammer in a Fireteam with bonuses...
     
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  4. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    So again CB realized the fucked up only after someone punched them in a face with a thing they had broken ?
     
  5. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    This is both embarrassing and out of touch.
    Literally the entire forum was in awe of how terrible the Jammer in fireteam worked, after the new rules from Daddy's Fall dropped. Everyone were very specific about their greivances with the Jammer, the increased burst and the and its interaction with Sixth Sense L2.
     
  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    It's not the first Interplanteario where the referees have a "private FAQ", sadly... but yeah, if the idea was to limit the Jammer against the RAW, CB should have warned before the list submission final date.
     
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  7. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Exactly this. My outrage isn't from the fact that CB have ruled it this way (at the event at least), it's due to the fact that some people may have balanced around bringing 2 or more different armies and the B2 Jammer may have influenced their list building as well as bringing the army.
    Very unprofessional IMO.
     
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yessss, the meme spreads :grinning:
     
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  9. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yes, it seems very strange that they wouldn't know. Was the TO team CB or WarCors?
     
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  10. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Just a point to note. While Interplanetario is supported by CB, they do not put the event on and rulings there are not CB rulings.
     
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  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Well I heard it was HellLois who made the ruling but I don't know for sure.
     
  12. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Going off the info from last friday's Mayacast, he is active with the group that runs it, so it is possible it was a ruling he made outside of his official role.
     
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  13. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    I think this needs to be restated before too many people light the pitchforks.
    While CB may support the event, the decisions of the TOs are there's alone.

    The TOs do seem to be almost against having a super competitive event with the decisions they make (how they do rulings, the kind of extras they choose) from where I'm sitting.
     
  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    How the heck does that happen? The man helps write the FAQ, he shouldn't be making that mistake.
     
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  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Sure, but HellLois could just tell them it isn't the rules in this case.

    "We're playing by house rules" is something that should be announced beforehand, and in any case shouldn't be happening at a premier event like the Interplanetario. Functionally, they're pulling a Polish WarCor maneuver, saying they have the de facto power to make rulings above and beyond CB and the rest of the playerbase.
     
  16. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Not saying it makes sense, just making sure we know what we are talking about and that it is being directed at the right people.

    I'd personally hold off on blaming HL for any of it. It could just as easily be that he was used as Authority for the calls other made due to proximity as it could be his direct ruling.
     
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  17. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yeah I don't know if it's even HellLois who made the ruling, I've just heard it secondhand that it was. But I know the ruling happened; there definitely seems to be a problem with the way that tournament handles rulings.
     
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  18. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Yeah, I get super mixed messages from interplanetario as an event.

    On the one hand its an invitational which implies a tight competitive event.
    On the other they choose wacky extras and missions and emphasise it being super fun, and can be pretty casual about rulings.

    Not saying a competitive event can't be super fun, its kinda more about what elements are focussed on
     
  19. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    I don't think it's truly an invitational. They have some invitational slots, but the vast majority of attendees are from open registration. I figured the invitations are to help bring in more international attendees, rather than strictly to guarantee highest tier standing.
     
  20. Alphz

    Alphz Kuang Shi Vet. Retired.

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    Isn't the masters intended to be largely the winners of ITS events, the top ELO ITS players and the previous Inter winner? That should scream highest tier.

    But yeah, then only 1 of them gets a chance at winning, against the winner of the plebs tournament (jk).
     
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