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Patsy + Kamau + Machinist Haris now broken?

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by ThananRollice, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Interestingly, it also means being allowed to take part in something without previously qualifying.
     
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  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    That meaning is derived from the one I mentioned.
     
  3. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    Yes dear.
     
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  4. Pinky

    Pinky Well-Known Member

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    I'm fine with this. Varuna needed a nerf and this helps with balance, at least somewhat by magnifying one of their weaknesses.
     
  5. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Varuna's powerlevel have been absurdly overrated. A deadly tailored SAA is a MUCH more deadly army with the Bagh-Mari HMG one-up'ing anything Varuna can field. This paired with the better line infantry, better skirmishers, more room for the Bulleteer AND access to Dart, makes for a far more powerful force IMO.
    If you win the Lt. roll and force Varuna to go first, they are at a very great disadvantage from my experience.

    CA and Haqq are armies that are in dire needs of nerfs (especially vanilla CA with their new sheeskin + the meme that is the Mentor Lt.).
     
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  6. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    You can always tell what people have lost to recently based on what they say needs a nerf.
     
  7. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    I don't like the opinion, that nerfs are good.
    And imo it's not a nerv more a reduction of possibilities. Don't think we will see Patsy that often after that rule change, but I could be wrong (nimbus plus).
     
  8. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    Agree
    Disagree, cause I don't like Nerfs
     
  9. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    She's still a really good piece. An ORC haris with one or two kamau wildcarding in is thoroughly viable, as are a number of other elements she can provides.
     
  10. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    I play Onyx and CA, as an Onyx and CA player, I'm saying the Mentor is a disgusting addition to the abomination that is Sheskiin (and quite frankly, I feel like Onyx getting Ko Dali is also too good) and I didn't lose to anyone using the Mentor (and I haven't lost to any Haqq, in fact I've tabled multiple Haqq lists except 1 tie, that doesn't mean their army is okay).

    Furthermore, Sheeskiin is an objectively terrible unit for this game, you won't find any reputable player stating otherwise. Please don't resort to petty wannabe insults and attempt to chalk complaints about objectively terribly units up to "lulz u jus mad bruh".
    That level of commentary is on the same tier as "git gud"-comments.

    PS: Almost all my loses this season can be attributed to Varuna, yet you just saw me defend the army from being nerfed.
     
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  11. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    The One True Scotsman argument. I honestly expected better of you as a poster.
     
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  12. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Honestly? So how do you wish for me to rephrase that? "I haven't, personally, ever come across any player that is considered at the higher end of the competitive bracket to be okay with Sheskiin" ?
    Because sure, I'm willing to admit that my post is heated but I just don't see any convincing argument for Sheskiin being a healthy unit.
     
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    Or, you know, people could look at empirical data since we have that now.
     
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  14. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Well, I'm right. Just because you want me to be wrong doesn't make it so.
     
  15. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    That would be a lot better, yes. Because you're no longer making the argument that anyone that disagrees with you is automatically not a reputable player, and therefore not using a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
     
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  16. Zewrath

    Zewrath Elitist Jerk

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    Consider my above statement to replace the other then.
     
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  17. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    You know what? That's fair. You bring out the worst in me as a poster but that's no excuse for being fucking petty, which I absolutely was. I apologise.
     
  18. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    So please don't take this as having a go at you because it's not intended that way.

    But you think the army almost all your loses are to is fine, but some armies you almost always beat are over powered?

    Seem counter intuitive.

    I'm a decent player, though not the best and I find Varuna perhaps the hardest, though not impossible to beat. And the Patsy Haris that just went away a decent component of that. Maybe it's who I play and their comparative skill level to me.
     
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  19. Knauf

    Knauf Transhumanist

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    Just because you continuously lose to a specific faction, that doesn't mean they haver to be overpowered. Maybe your matchup is just unfavourable or maybe you just can't gauge their units very well (yet?). I think it is entirely possible to identify units/combos that are too strong despite winning against them on a regular basis.
     
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  20. Hachiman Taro

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    Well clearly it can be the case. But it's also an unusual perspective to have. Hence the question.
     
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