I don't know why I bother explaining myself if you're just going to ignore it. The situation was presented. I gave my view on it, how I'd house rule it, and why. All following the OP's statements regarding the spirit of the rules and how they'd like to see it FAQ'd/reworded to allow it. I was not talking about how to play the RAW and you can't prove otherwise. So take my explanation and move on.
We all realise at this point its just arguing and picking apart bits of language for the sake of moaning on the forums right? Can we just stick to the answer that is abundantly clear "No you cant OP" And move on and ignore the rest?
Sure, but then I think its fluffy that my Squalo Drops HGL rounds on a Palbot I previously put in the targetted state through friendly fire and ran at your lines..... Thats totally cool though right?
Unfortunately that isn't a fair comparison. It's not about being fluffy, it's about the spirit of the rules. You're choosing to hit and potentially destroy your own property. Your superiors might not allow this regardless of the value you place on it. The rules don't support that type of action anywhere else. Yes the Druze is also being hit but then suffers no dmg what so ever. The game already allows this type of action in other forms. So no, that's totally not cool. Edit, What you're suggesting is an additional and new type of game play or strategy. It is not an extension of this house rule or the game itself.
No, better put: The overwhelming majority of folks replying and reading the rules: no, it’s an attack on your own troop and as such would be cancelled. A rather vociferous exception: sure, I'd handwave away the actual rule and make up my own to do it.
I had to post that XD Seriously now, It's clear that RAW is not allowed, thematically it could make sense but balance reasons are enough for me. But if a player want to house rule it and play it that way in his local meta, where everyone agrees with that and knows that is a house rule, then why not. I don't recomend those kind of house rules tho, because you could be unbalancing some strategies and units; but for some games to see how it feels is harmless. But always making very clear where the house rule start.
Even as a house rule, it’s pretty far out there... maybe it could make sense in a specific narrative scenario, but anything else seems like inculcating bad habits.
You can do it. As long as you declare your attack against an enemy trooper, you can septisor into melee (affecting everyone engaged in said melee) : http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Template_Weapons_and_Equipment#Template_Weapons_on_a_Close_Combat Intent is not an house rule. It's a way most players undertand RAW "all LoF as public" and "gaming aid such as laser are allowed" as "I tell my opponent what I wanna do and ask him for LoF before doing it". I don't see any house rule here, just basic RAI. But nice try
Whether you play with intent, without intent or with a small degree of intent, it is RAW. That's why that debate is infected, because the rules can be read to support either. And because apparently in real life people seem to be able to work it out with little problem, it's also pointless to bring it up. Accept it and move on. Most wargames which have targeting of your own troops tend to have it be very restricted because it can be heavily abused and because it muddles tactical placement. You'll see it on units like Kuang Shi where you need to activate an ability or on Skaven where unreliable artillery is par for course and you'll probably hit your own anyway, so why not aim on them? As for E/M, keep in mind Druze aren't immune, they just don't have their operative ability compromised by it - you'll still fuck up their comm logs, smart watches, and most expensively their guns. They won't be happy about being hit by friendly E/M and the CFO will be extremely pissed off over the incompetence that lead to a large hole in profit.
See the second sentence (marked in red for emphasis): "Template Weapons that affect at least one trooper engaged in a Close Combat affect all troopers in that Close Combat, even if some of them are not in direct contact with the Template. Bear in mind that troopers cannot declare Attacks against their friendly troopers." So no, you can't use a Sepsitor into melee if any of your troopers are in the melee.
From a background perspective the IFF built into the grenades also doesn't know that they're immune to it's effects, and will prevent detonation if there's a friendly trooper in the blast radius. In the fluff EM can also be used to disable cubes which is a HUGE reason not to put in exceptions to the IFF.
I don't believe that is true for every instance of intent play. The degree of difficulty is subjective and has no baring on what the RAW allow or disallow. I don't see how this argument is relevant. By the games definition they are immune. No harm will come to them. It doesn't hinder their performance in any way on the battlefield. Smoke is more of a hindrance. It limits their combat capabilities in very real ways.
Jesus stop feeding the trolls, worse than the damn bears around here. The poster is clearly picking fights. @Cannon Fodder "Casual/Competitice" has nothing to do with it. Just one loud opinionated poster with a history of picking fights
