I can't say I didn't see this change coming. After all, the only reason the Patsy+Kamau HMG/HRL+Varuna Machinist is a legal Kamau Haris is because it follows the 'must contain at least one of [ unit ]' rule. But this means that CB needs to go through absolutely all the fireteams and get them all using the same wording.
I noticed this too while I was working on my mock simplified chart. Today the Crane + CG link would probably be phrased "Up to 3 Cranes may join a Fireteam:Core of Celestial Guards."
It feels like they make this stuff up as they go. Thank god i sold all my rulebooks a few months ago.
I mean we all know they use a living rules set, I'd much rather they not be afraid to make or fix changes than have a pristine rule book for 5 years before some edition change. I only buy the books to read the fluff and get the limited edition mini anyway, the wiki is the thing we all use to solve rules queries over the rule book. What they shouldn't be doing though is having Gutier announce this crap over a podcast. They wanna make a big shakeup and change? Great, do it in a well documented post that has been run over by a red team trying to poke holes in it.
Hello, this probably need a clarification because most of us barely do use of the Rulebook and go really fast and first to the "wiki", where some information is easy to find but not all of it. For example, if we read carefully, From the Rulebook: (page 13) FIRETEAMS: BASIC RULES COMMON REQUIREMENTS » To use this rule, a player must field a Sectorial Army List, an Army List that specifies that Fireteams are available, or have a Special Skill, piece of Equipment or Hacking Program that allows its use. » A Fireteam can only be composed of those troopers where it is indicated that they are able to compose Fireteams. » A Fireteam must be composed of troopers belonging to the same unit, or of those that the Sectorial Army List specifies are able to do so. Some special Fireteams can ignore this Requirement, as specified in their description or in the Sectorial Army List. » The members of a Fireteam must be in Coherency (see page 11) with the Team Leader. And a Wildcard isn`t the same unit. If we read the latest profile pdf, and take sombe as example, Black Friar <<black friars special fireteam. wildcard trooper: black friars (albedo, biometric visor l1) can be part of any fireteam of this sectorial army.>> The phrase says clearly: "can be part", which is different as something like "can be used to form a fireteam" or the other rule "count as". If we follow the specs for a Fireteam Creation as is wrote, we need a "fireteam" before add any kind of wildcart. So, at least we would need not only one but two troups. So the "FAQ" is less restrictive than really should be according to the rule. In this case I think "Corvus" was friendly with the unterstanding and use the players are doing of this rule.
Not, isn't because the core team should have Frontoviks, the 112 can be part of a Frontoviks core because exists a special core 4 frontoviks + 112, but isn't itself a Frontovik. Same with the Veterans, they aren't frontoviks. You will need at least 2 frontoviks (after "faq only one). Even more restrictive, you need a "fireteam" to be part of, so at least two members for the "fireteam to exists" ;) (Yes, yes...now only one, this sounds to me like the "Inmortals, only one can be"
Look I understand a lot of things and dissatisfaction, but do keep yourselves contained alright, even mockery resistance has its limits. edit you also make valid concerns and criticism to drown.
People literally teach new players all the time. I'm currently having a conversation online with someone who started playing a few weeks ago and loves it. Could there be more coherent presentation of the living rules? Absolutely. And I would absolutely support a move towards the wiki as the full rules resource etc. But the idea that it's impossible or prohibitively difficult to teach someone from scratch is just... Not true? It's just not? Evidentially?
Please note that you can't 'add' units to a Fireteam, all you can do is form a completely new Fireteam. So you are adding a restriction that doesn't exist. So a Fireteam: Core of an Order Sergeant and a Black Friar is completely legal.
Maybe I'am not understand well the english redaction, but in spanish is pretty the same. But most probably I din't manage to explain my selft. I think I'am not adding anything out of the rules. Only want to say that according to the rulebook don't exits fireteam of an unique member, the minumun is two of them: a fireteam core is formed from 2 to 5 members, so while the wildcards aren't "the required type" in order to make a fireteam it would need at least 2 troups with the same "unit" or they aren`t any fireteam where the wildcard can join him. At least if we made a really hard RAW, if a soft RAW is made, them we have the resolution: 1+1 at least. I'am not trying here to show any kind of dissapointment here with the fix adopted, only to make a little noise over the point that in the rules still have the solution, in this case, to no fall in the situation of a "fireteam wilcards only". Sorry if I sounded a little hostyle in any moment, that wasn't my intention.
The Special Fireteam Core is a different Fireteam than the Frontovik Core. To form a fireteam you need one trooper that is able to form a fireteam to begin with. The 112 has this ability in the form of the Special Fireteam Core. Then you can add the Veteran Kazaks because they are Wildcards. And yeah, all this 'adding' and 'joining' is just in your head, like making a plan or checking the incredients of a recipe, because on the table you form it 'at once'. And if the 112 goes down this will not dissolve the Fireteam unless he was the leader at that time, because the restrictions are only for the initial building of it, these restrictions are no cancelation clause.
So our experiences teaching other players the game has been imaginary? Your examples of recent players who enjoy the game doesn't negate the players who are having trouble with it. If you want to ignore those players, I think you do so at your own peril. There are plenty of ways to TELL people how to play Infinity. But I think people who question what they are told when it doesn't match what the rules say are being very reasonable. It's an entirely different undertaking to have someone understand the mechanics of Infinity so they can teach themselves. People who do not question what they are told or have no interest in mastering the game are going to have a much easier time learning. But I don't think it's right to expect everyone to learn and play that way.
I really don't see how the 4 Veterans could complain the requirements of 4 Frontoviks while Vets don't have the trait "counts as". To the Specials Fireteams looks as you have to fullfill all the requisites in order to form one. But which rule have priority? Wildcard over Special? I'am only can say the "specials" brings to us a little complexity to the understand how to do a Fireteam. And of course more flexibility and fun, when all us could agree how to do it :)
The requirement is up to 4 Frontoviks and a 112. 0 Frontoviks, a 112, and a Vet Kazak meets those requirements.
I think how the rules are presented needs to be modified and can help a lot! This is what I did in the Dahshat group. Zuyong Core 1 to 4 Zuyong 0 to 4 Authorized Bounty Hunter 0 to 1 Miranda Ashcroft 0 to 1 Sforza FTO 0 to 1 Valerya Gromoz 0 to 1 Rui Shi It shows at minimum, you must have 1 Zuyong. The rest are 0 and go to the max number you can have. Ie 0 ABH and up to a max of 4.
And are they able to learn the rules by reading the rules documents, without needing some hierophants to interpret it for them?
