Nah, Jerkilles has pretty damned good odds against anything without a mono, Domaru, or Mushashi - those are too high risk. The odds of anything on that list being an important model is also fairly high, but no Engage! Engage is how Shinibu gets owned in CC by Fusiliers. -- Hulang with AD4 and ExplodeX would cost around 50 and essentially take Louie's job, as the Hulang would be mostly a better gun fighter and also melee-capable and thus fairly immune to Engage solution to being ExplodeXed.
I just realized that in Vanilla, why take the Hulang when the KHD Kanren does almost the same for 14pts less with a Holo2?
The new Valkyria girl also does a number on him. She does at least trade evently with pretty much anything in infinity.
No, the thing with valkyrie is that she adds Total Immunity to that. She can take a hit (using berserk to trade) and she will not die on the first hit, no matter what because of Total Immunity. I think the only thing in the game that could potentially 1 round her is Tarik because his Poison rules does not get affected by TI. So against any single miniature she will take at least 2 rounds to die, and on that period she will put 2 D14 EXP hits on it.
mimetism, effectively second wound, MA3 and better CC, way better guns D-charges for l&s or the grid and veteran classification for classifieds yeah, totally the same sure
So basically you're saying we wanted an Exploding Nahab from Ramah? I seem to recall you were against making the Liu Xing a CC type HI.
I didn't say they were the same but they accomplish pretty much the same thing. So far he never gets to use his d-charges. Combi-Flamethrower is only a little better than combi-chain colt. I've never been able to use his grenades. I like Holo over Mimetsim because it clears mines, he gets surprise shot, and a chance of no hit at all.
No, what I wrote was meant to illustrate what a bad idea it would be to have AD4 on Hulang. I do not find Louies to be conceptually bad or terribly problematic to use other than the standard about how all (literally all) HI seem to be in need of a proper discount due to Hackable trait. (Yes, including the ones who kind of need to have their Frenzy discount scaled back a bit)
kanren is a terrible unit that exists only as a mockery of actual skirmishers mimetism provides tangible benefits in firefights unlike holo2 (mine clearing is fine tho) em grenades are devastating, just specfire in a crowd after the ARO is gone and collect the tears
Kanrens are versatile good unit. Don't push him too hard, mate. Holo L2 is not a joke - He was the one saved my ass quite often when playing IS.
I get the feeling you either never used them or never got the hang of them. I used them some in ISS and thought they were pretty good but took a while to use effectively. But where I’ve really gotten use out of Holo 2 is with Bash Bozuk. I love going right in front of a MSV2 guy and saying FU surprise! Here’s a light shotgun in your face! Now I'm not saying the Kanren is fantastic. Just that in comparison to the Hulang, in Vanilla, He can accomplish the same for much less of a cost. Obviously in IA there's not much choice.
Anyone had much luck with his EM grenades? Success stories? Id like to try forward observing a HI link to then lob EM. But it’s still an order intensive risky move
I haven't found myself in a position to throw one at someone yet, but I think that's largely down to my opponents fearing the grenade and not giving me an opportunity to throw them effectively. Hulangs have been doing work in Vanilla but its been largely stabbing stuff with smoke support and cleaning up skirmishers. I continue to find it pairs well with Sun Tze, Strategos helps fix alot of his issues.
The Kanren Mad Traps is quite decent in ISS, as he adds much needed deterrents. Also, I’m not buying that you can’t make a cheap BS12 surprise attack flanking unit work but somehow defend the idea of paying +40 points to roll single dice of 9’s. Sounds less like a recipe for collecting tears, than it sounds like a recipe for doing your enemy a favour by wasting several orders.
