Pheasant Sniper usefull against Ariadna?

A CG and 8 Kuang Shis will perform better than MSR Pheasant. Sadly.

 

Yes but this is "unexpected" in the same way as it's unexpected to intimidate somone by shooting your kneecaps off. Sure, it might work but almost certainly not worth it.

Honestly, if you want to exploit the new MM:LX then use Lunah. She's miles better than him for such a job and even sport Viral Ammo which Ariadna loathes.

 

@AgentWu I've been trying the new Daoying Sniper and I must admit I like her better. Minelayer, better BS, better ARM, 2 free orders for herself and Forward Deployment for 1 point less than the Guilang. I know this means you're basically forced to use a CoC but I do that mostly anyway (if not, I use the Hac Tao Executive Order). I like her a lot and I think she's a good shooter for her points while giving you a good WIP roll for the Lt. Roll. :)

Tried this list last week for Acquisition:

New Shizzle
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GROUP 1 10 4
TAI SHENG (Chain of Command) Mk12, Chain-colt, Stun Grenades / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 49)
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
GŬILÁNG Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)

GROUP 2 4 4 2
DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 (Minelayer) MULTI Sniper, Antipersonnel Mines / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
ZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
GŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
LIBERTO (Minelayer) Light Shotgun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 10)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

5.5 SWC | 298 Points

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I say try it. What's the worse that can happen? You loose a game that might be fun even when you loose. But i'm about fun over winning. It could actually be interesting to do a Bao Combi + Bao MSR + Peasant MSR core. I know i'd be intimidated a bit. Lunah is great. Love her but she can't get 3 shots on the attack and 2 in ARO!

Also, doesn't the Pheasant get +1 Burst from the link team and +3 BS? So +6 Marksmanship, +3 link team, MSV1, No Cover. He can't miss camo/Mimitisim (BS12+6+3=21) troops and TO camo/ODD is at 18s. (BS12+6+3-3=18)

Edit: Just did a quick look and he is the only trooper with Marksman LX that can be in a link team.

Edit again!: sorry I keep having thoughts on this. Now think about adding in a Zhanying with Nimbus Grenade! I've already tried this with Lunah and it works great. But the Pheasant can shoot two different guys once or one guy once with MLX. (Supposedly with saturation the burst is lowered by one per target. Not the whole burst.)

So burst 1, BS12+6 MLX, +3 Link team, -3 Nimbus, No cover, No camo = 18s.
Any shooting back is going to be -1 burst, and -3 to hit. Not as good as Lunah but i don't mind.

This would be a anti-camo nightmare. 1 MSV1, 6 MSV2, 1 Sensor. One of the MSV2 can be buffed to have Marksmanship L2.

Imperial Service
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10
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Multispectral Visor L1, Marksmanship LX) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
BÀO TROOP (X Visor, Multispectral Visor L2) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
BÀO TROOP (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
BÀO TROOP (Multispectral Visor L2) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
BÀO TROOP (Multispectral Visor L2) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
ZHÀNYING (Fireteam: Haris, Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 27)
ZHÀNYING Hacker (Hacking Device) Breaker Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 32)
HSIEN Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 57)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)

6.5 SWC | 299 Points

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@Space Ranger Have a look at USAR Grunts.

Just be aware that when in a link it's not as common for Marksmanship LX to be worth sacrificing 2B for. And no, the Pheasant can't Marksmanship LX two targets at the same time. The skill's burst value goes down to 1 when you use Marksmanship LX and Fireteam bonuses do not apply to Entire Order skills.

 

On paper the pheasant sniper isn't that bad anymore and has really interesting odds against a bunch of scary units (like frontoviks in 5-man team), especially when linked with bao and/or firing through nimbus.
The problem is to get him into position. Since marksmanship LX is now a long skill, you'll either have to survive a face-to-face with whatever you want to headshot, or deploy him directly into position and with first turn. Sun Tze can help with the latter, but it's really going through a lot of trouble just to set-up one deadly shot.

Side note, but i now kinda wish Sun Tze V2 kept his MMLX. That would synergize very nicely with his strategos ability.

 

Well I did say it was a quick look lol. But okay one of 2 that can be in a fireteam.

How so? The skill specifically says that mods are stackable (see below). I can't find anything in fireteams. If that were the case with long skills they wouldn't be able to spec fire too. We already know fireteams get the +3 to their BS. Spec fire says burst 1 period. MLX does not. Below it says it's stackable.

EFFECTS

• This Special Skill reduces the B value of his weapon to 1, and in return apply to that single shot a +6 BS MOD.
• These MODs are stackable with any other applicable MODs.

 

http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Fireteam_Bonuses

• The +1 B bonus is not applicable when the attack is an Entire Order Skill (Intuitive Attack, Speculative Fire...).

 

The +1 Burst for Fireteams does not apply to any Entire Order.

http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Fireteam_Bonuses

The +1 B bonus is not applicable when the attack is an Entire Order Skill (Intuitive Attack, Speculative Fire...).

 

Thanks guys. Okay no big. He still gets the +3 for BS correct? Still not bad I think. And unlike a Grunt is doing one shot with DA.

 

Correct :)

 

Now the bad thing is the rest of the team! Bao really need to be updated! Compare them to other X-visor similar troops like Druze or Loup Garou, and you wonder why ever take them. It's even worse since Druze get Forward Deploy L1 in ITS this season. Totally mitigating their 4-2 move some.

 

Because my Ikari Druze would love to have a shotgun hitting at 0 MOD at 24". Or, even +3 with a full link...

[Edit] And, linked boarding shotguns through smoke is ridiculous...

 

No, it's hilarious! At least if you're the one with the link team...

BS12+6+3=21. Plus the templates.

 

Bit of a tangent but I believe the Pheasant in a core link of Bao is in fact our best model to take down the Kamau sniper statistically speaking with 61-24% odds in their favour.

 

You can even bump the odds to 72-15% odds with a nimbus grenade. I don't think anything in the entire game can top that in a straight-up firefight with this... thing.

The main issue, again, is to get him into position. Sun tze can help, but alongside the Bao fireteam it bumps the total cost to 200pts, and that's just to set-up a gimmick...

On the other hand, it's a good excuse to make a silly sniper list:

Imperial Service
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GROUP 1 9
SUN TZE Lieutenant (Advanced Command) MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 61)
MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Multispectral Visor L1, Marksmanship LX) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
BÀO TROOP (X Visor, Multispectral Visor L2) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
BÀO TROOP (X Visor, Multispectral Visor L2) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
BÀO TROOP (Multispectral Visor L2) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
BÀO TROOP (Multispectral Visor L2) Boarding Shotgun, Contender / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
BOUNTY HUNTER Sniper Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
BOUNTY HUNTER Sniper Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 21)

GROUP 2 5 1 4
CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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I think if you want to play with sniper rifles and make the list less of a meme you want to work with the concept of spending SWC on Snipers to open a pathway for Yu Jings HI to move through and attack with low or no cost SWC weaponry. Something like this.


Mowang
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GROUP 1 10
MECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
MAJOR LUNAH Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
HÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
DĀOYĪNG Lieutenant L2 Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
PANGGULING (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
MÓWÁNG (NCO) MULTI Rifle, Flammenspeer / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 52)
ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2 2 5 4
PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Multispectral Visor L1, Marksmanship LX) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 37)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

6 SWC | 298 Points

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You get a variety of snipers to play with that do work in the active turn, and the goal is for them to open a path for the Mowang to go to work up close.