I don't know if this is too much to ask for, but it would be great if the army included a fireteam builder. Some button like "Add Fireteam Core" -> then you add troops in it, and it just let's you know of it is legal or not. Same for Haris, Duos and so on, of course. I know that fireteams are not inherent to a list, and if I include 10 fusiliers in the same group I can link whichever 5 of them I choose in every different game using the same list. But still I think that "Fireteam Builder" would be an amazing tool and would clarify everything 100%.
Yes, that would be great, but as you say, Fireteams are not something that are formed during list-building - and the numbers of options get insane really quickly, into the hundreds for only a few models.
To give an example, with just these models: Druze Bayram Security──────────────────────────────────────────────────8 DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) DRUZE HMG, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29) DRUZE (X Visor) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (E/M and Nimbus) / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27) DRUZE (X Visor) Shock Marksman Rifle, Chain-colt / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27) DRUZE Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Pitcher, D-Charges / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) VALERYA GROMOZ Hacker (Hacking Device UPGRADE: Expel) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) BRAWLER Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) CLIPPER DRONBOT Missile Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 17) 4 SWC | 185 PointsOpen in Infinity Army There are 210 legal Core Fireteam combinations, before we get into available Duos!
Even so, and even considering that CB have to manage game balance by tweaking on a per-unit basis, this is by no means a ‘non-trivial problem’. It only requires someone with moderate database design experience (there are several such in the forum) and the will to implement the solution. Since (I’ve recently learned) Army appears unable to manage Fireteam data accurately (see other threads), a solution to that issue will have to be provided sooner rather than later, and at which point a Fireteam builder also becomes relatively easy. It might not be so far away.
Also, for what it's worth, the main DB issue would be getting the Fireteam notes into the DB - which is a pain in terms of data entry, but it's still 'just' data entry. The bit that would be hard (and we're definitely into 'non-trivial problem' territory here) is turning the Fireteam notes into actual code that's robust enough and flexible enough to do the error-checking on all the recent mixed Fireteams.
Personally, I can think of a rough code-logic structure needed to handle the rules, including all of the mixed Fireteams, (although it won't be trivial, my guess would be it'll be straight-forward enough to write). So whilst the code would be tricky, the time-consuming part would be getting all of the data in there; mainly cos it'd need to not only know all of the units but quite a lot about individual load-outs. Although I reckon it'd still be easier to let us humans work these out based on things like the wiki!
Can I form the following OSS, YADU fireteam. Special Fireteam: Haris. 2 Yadus + 1 Deva. I want to substitute 1 Yadu with SAMEKH FTO - A wildcard unit I want to substitute 1 Yadu with RUDRA - Can sub into any YADU fireteam I want to use 1 Deva (Fireteam: Haris) - to meet Haris requirement Can I make this fireteam with no YADU?
The best way to think about it is that the Samekh and Rudra are both technically Yadu (for the purposes of forming Fireteams).
Can anyone clarify how "spare" troopers interact with fireteams. Let's say I have 6 alguaciles clumped together, of which 5 are in a fireteam. In my reactive turn, one in the fireteam dies but my leader is still alive so the fireteam (of now 4) is still intact. It's now my active turn and I activate the fireteam (of 4). If that spare dude was within ZOC during the check at the start of the order, can he automatically be included to bring me back up to 5 members of the fireteam or do I need a command token to reform with the new member?
Say I have six troops capable of Core and Haris links near each other. I deploy them as a Core of five with one left over for the reactive. In active, I want to form a Haris using the extra and two models from the Core. Do I have to break and re-form the Core or just form the Haris - ie will getting to the state of two three-man links require one or two command tokens?
Possibly better as a separate thread, but as far as I am able to tell the answer is that a trooper can not be part of more than one Fireteam and becoming a member of a different Fireteam is not a cancellation clause for Fireteam membership, meaning you can not form the Fireteam out of members that's part of a different Fireteam. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Fireteam_Integrity You could, however, make sure that the troopers you want in a different Fireteam fails their Coherency check and gets kicked out of the team in order to save Command Tokens.
http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Common_Requirements A trooper cannot simultaneously be part of more than one Fireteam. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Creation_of_a_Fireteam When a Fireteam is created, the player must declare which troopers are members of it. When you create the Haris, you select the relevant models. If you didn't select the Core Team Leader, the remaining members still form a Core Fireteam. Then, anyway, you have to spend a new Command Token to re-create a full new Core
I've done this. Just move the ones you want to get into the Haris away from the Core leader as you activate that Core.
There should be a note that the synced Oznat+Preta can't join a fireteam. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Ghost_(G)#Ghost:_Synchronized G: Synchronized, Coordinated Order and Fireteams A G: Synchronized trooper and its Controller cannot be part of a Coordinated Order nor be a member of any type of Fireteam, unless specified otherwise. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/List_of_Fireteams#Morat_Aggression_Force OZNAT, Morat Hunting Regiment Special Special Fireteam: Core. Up to 4 Hungries (Gakis and/or Pretas) + 1 or 2 Oznats. I'm not arguing this point, but someone could try to say that the way this is written meets the "unless specified otherwise" clause. I.e. it's a "special fireteam".
Hello everyone, I don't know if it was already asked and I was not able to find anything about it so I will ask in this section since it seem the right thread. I was discussing with my friend and fellow player about SpecOp and Fireteam, and there is a bit of debate in the group... someone say that they can join the fireteam of the specific unit type they belong, other say that they cannot... So my question is, "Can a SpecOP, for example a Indigo Order Sergent join a Order Sergent fireteam in Military order? Or for example can a Vortex that is a Securitate join the proper Securitate Securitate in Tunguska? Is that ruled somewhere? Thanks in advance.
