[MILITARY ORDERS TACTICS] Quo Peregrinatur Grex Pastor Secum ["300pts Box" WiP 06/04/19]

MSV doesn’t work if you go second? 2 pathfinders + a fugazi is only 40 points, so that’s fairly decent coverage. It’s an option, for sure.

 

Biometric visor doesnt work...

 

Army has MSV2 on the profile. Check it out.

@eciu I completely agree the lack of orders argument. It’s often a waste. But if the OP knows exactly what he’s up against, why not?

 

Black friar MULTI Rifle has both

 

Guys, I'm in desperate need of help with MO.

I've been doing tons of lists (LI as it's what we play mostly) and I cannot manage to create a list that really makes me say "Ok, this is it, I'm comfortable with this" without depending on a TAG (be it the Seraph or the Tikbalang).
I've tried Magister/Teuton core, Hospitallers, Crusade Fireteam, Sargeants with Black Friar and Father Knight, a super mixed core with Santiagos...it's like I cannot manage to make them work no matter what.
They are slow, hard to put them in cover whenever I need to and above everything else...super expensive, especially if I want a core with HMG, Missile Launcher or Spitfier and at least 1 specialist.

Most of the time I feel forced to pick Joan only because I can put Tech-Bee and Warcor and have 2 regular orders for 8 points, but I'm paying 49 points for Inspiring Leadership and I cannot even use her as she has to be hidden or else she gets killed and everything crumbles away.

Anyone had success with new Military Orders?
I was really hyped with 3rd Offensive and at first, I liked the changes, but after soo many lists and a few games, I really feel like we need to have the possibility of an Order Sargeant Lt, Montesa needs smoke and I'd kill for Joan to be able to, at least, go into Haris fireteams. I'm not asking her to be Wildcard, but c'mon...she can't even join a Hospitallers haris...and that'd be awesome (Joan + Hospitaller Doc Haris + HMG). Being forced to either form the Crusade fireteam (which is shit given that once you lose one member you are "forced" not to break the fireteam) or a duo with a Santiago...

 

This is the kind of thing I'm toying with for LI now:

Military Orders
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10 3
JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 51)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Chain of Command) Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 56)
FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49)
BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)

6 SWC | 298 Points

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The more I use her the less I want to just hide Joan, and in LI you have the chance to run the KotHS to mitigate the risk.

Coordinated Magisters are actually a pretty solid answer to basically any ARO threat, which makes the lack of a HMG option hurt less.

 

Well, I only played once without a TAG as I'm trying to see what I can do WITH a TAG in MO lists. But the list was pretty effective and with better decisions and less lack of luck for myself I would have secured a massive victory. Here was the list :
Supplies
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10 1
KNIGHT OF MONTESA Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 39)
KNIGHT OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE (Forward Deployment L2) Spitfire / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 57)
BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
4.5 SWC | 299 Points
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But I have success with those lists those days :
Satellite test 1
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10 3
SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
3 SWC | 299 Points
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Satellite test 1b
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10
BROTHER KONSTANTINOS Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)
BLACK FRIAR (Albedo, Biometric Visor L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
SERAPH HMG, 2 Nanopulsers / EXP CCW. (2 | 79)
CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. ()
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
4.5 SWC | 299 Points
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And before eciu or Teslarod say the contrary, I can go out of my DZ. I did it at each game and the causes of my two lost games out of 5 were only me making wrong decisons and critical crits from my opponent.
Is MO unforgiving about making the wrong decisions? Yes. You have access to a hell of possibilities but you have to be a good player to make the good calls. And that's what I like : easy to learn, hard to master in a game that is already like this. Success in MO and you will be a hell of a player to play against.

PS: I don't say I'm that good (I make too much mistakes to pretend to be) as I'm losing nearly as much as I win with MO at the moment but I see what can be done if you are a good one. It's like playing Genji or Leblanc and making mistakes and plays. You feel that you can do so much more but you're not good enough (yet?) to be consistent in plays without diying in the process half of the time.

 

I played this just 2 days ago:

Spoiler: Tiktik

Tiktik
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10
TIKBALANG OF MONTESA (Religious Troop) AP HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / DA CCW. (2 | 92)
CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. (0)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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It was against JSA in Frosbyte.

All I had to use was the Tikbalang. It was the datatracker, so it had an extra order. I used the Tikbalang first against a total reaction bot. I didn´t have cover, but still managed to beat it using the mimetism. After advancing a bit the Tikbalang engaged two keisotsus with missile launchers. It was at range closer than 60 cm so the Tikbalang was on 15s while the Keisotsus where on 7s, burst 2 vs burst 2, risky, but it was enough to beat them both in a single order. After that, I could use the TAG to keep running through the mid table, using climbing plus to go on rooftops and get LoF against two more Keisotsus and a motorcycle that happened to be a Lu Duan. The Tikbalang ended up on top of a high building on Suppressive Fire, and with the last order the Santiago and OS link was able to move and make the OS with rocket launcher cover part of the table.

So my oponent had half of his force dead or unconcious and couldn´t do that much. Yojimbo with the koalas wasn´t far from the Tikbalang so he approached, but my OS TO sniper revealed and he had to face both. The Tikbalang SF did nothing, but the Koalas didn´t pass the TAG´s armor also. The sniper got a crit and killed Yojimbo. A karakuri tried to advance, but she was shot down by the OS rocket launcher.

After that in my second turn I just used the Santiago knights to kill another karakuri and a domaru, forcing retreat on next turn. With the rest of the orders I could just reposition to take all possible points and score 10-0.

So well, it was a victory, and my troops received 0 wounds. But to be honest, feels like it was mostly due to risking the Tikbalang from the first order and being lucky enough to win the game almost immediately by impairing the enemy before he could do anything. So not so much to do with the actual features of MO I guess.

 

Also generic PanO and have lots of support for the TAG with cheap orders, Crocman, Auxilias, etc.

But well who knows. Maybe if the Tikbalang didn't perform so incredibly effectively on just a few orders I would've needed to use the Santiago Knights to do some actual work!

 

How did your matches go? Found this aproach really interesting.

 

That one, not so well.

I got totally out-played in Supremacy after losing the Lt roll-off and failing to do enough damage with first turn. Then struggled in Decap with taking out the Designated Target after it got pulled behind enemy lines. Firefight went ok, but was still a narrow loss after they picked out the Knights.

I ran this against a double-Grey-core Caledonia in Firefight last night:

Military Orders
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GROUP 1 8 2 3
JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
GROUP 2 4
SPEC. SERGEANT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
4 SWC | 300 Points
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It did hilariously well, with the Doctor taking out McMurder with a well angled Suppression Fire burst as he moved in on Joan and one Magister tearing through both Grey-lead Core teams after they advanced into my half of the table to actually reach my stuff.

The Magisters and Bulleteer did most of the work, with the HMG getting picked out early on, but it was a fairly dense table so the range disadvantage didn't hurt too much.

It certainly was funny playing PanOceania 3 SWC short!

 

Would you consider Joan v2? maybe drop a DA ccw magister to AP? Or you only use her to cordinate and never advance up?

 

I considered Joan v2 for this list, but was worried about being aggressive with her in a list with no CoC.

I will probably be giving her a go soon, but combined with a KotHS CoC.

 

What went quite good for me was an aproach with one haris and one pseudo-haris core link:
Military Orders
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10 2
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
SPEC. SERGEANT (CH: TO Camouflage, Infiltration, Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39)
KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22)
MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22)
TEUTONIC KNIGHT Spitfire / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 37)
MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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The Teutonic-Core makes all of the work when the Hospitaller-HMG has cleared their way out of the DZ. In addition to this, the TOFOOS are doing what they always do: fill the hole or clear other ways. Normally the HMG dies in the first turn (or get killed by his brother) and the Teutons are chewed in the second and third turn, but for a high price.
Went well against ALEPH and vanilla Nomads so far. The KHD-Santiago made good as datatracker and the last back-up, when everything else failed.
There were two main ideas behind this list: Full core-links are bulky and hard to manage, while the additional burst is the greatest benefit. So reducing the link-size to three felt very good for me. The second idea was the possible order efficiency of Magisters. Having them in the enemy half of the table in second turn and nearly every situation (except from being dead), is a threat to nearly everything. Linked with the Teuton they will shoot everything moving and otherwise they freak out and do the same on their own.
Of course, it is no easy play, because MLs and smoke with MSVs can ruin everything, without having any responses. But that is what you have to learn.

 

Hello fellow knights.
Here is my take on new MO, for me it was a hard transition from playing old way (i.e. taking three fusiliers and adding everything else) and creating a meaningful list with two combat groups and enough orders in each of them. This list still goes through testing but after a couple of games i'm more then satisfied with what it can do on the table.

OS core (2 sant) + teuton haris
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GROUP 1 8
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43)
KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

GROUP 26 / 2
TEUTONIC KNIGHT (NCO) Spitfire / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 39)
TEUTONIC KNIGHT (Fireteam: Haris, Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 36)
ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23)
TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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