NCO - some questions

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by inane.imp, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. RogueJello

    RogueJello Well-Known Member

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    This is the real world, I'm hoping for the Mr Stud Sexual Implant - works all night, every night.

    (I think that's how it was phrased in CyberPunk 2020)
     
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  2. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    @ijw can you comment on this please before the RAW vs RAI debate gets too hot?
     
  3. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    Yeah, official comment/ruling would be appreciated - rather than hearing what has been "confirmed" in the Warcor forum that 99% of people have no access to :P
     
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  4. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    lol I love it, never good enough for you am I?
     
  5. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Has this been clarified yet?
     
  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    And she will never know.

    It's more a point of forcing CB's staff to get out and make an statement... a lot of people won't take any word but that of CB staff, unless it suits them.
     
  7. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    There's no IJW response on the main forums. In this thread he has, pretty conspicuously, avoided answering any of the questions raised except tge one about isolation.

    If there's no FAQ or response on the forums, then there's really no quotable ruling people can use in-game.
     
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  8. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Since you're spending it as a regular order, it doesn't reveal your lieutenant.
     
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  9. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Which is awesome if you have a marker state Lt.

    On the other hand you're spending your Special Lt Order which broadcasts who your Lt is. Ie "that Camo marker". [emoji14]

    Ie. No it hasn't been clarified. Both arguments are equally as supported by the rules.
     
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  10. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    If "broadcasts" was defined in any way I would agree. It is kind of like the base ARO rules being written without the possibility of multiple units drawing AROs discussion elsewhere though.
     
  11. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    I've always read that as a descriptive warning, not an actual game rules construct. I.e. "reminder: if you do this, you are giving away a piece of private information"
     
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  12. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Sure that's a valid reading, and if CB never introduced rules via those sorts of things I'd probably agree with that interpretation. But it's equally plausible that it's 'an actual game rules construct'.

    This is why I accept this one is ambiguous.
     
  13. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    As far as revealing the LT goes, nope.

    WHY does spending the LT Order 'broadcast' (not an actual game term for anything) who the LT is? Because only the LT can spend it, 'giving your opponent a clear potential target'. NCO bypasses this completely, because it's not the LT spending it.

    As far as spending the Order without making the trooper the Team Leader, I'd wanted to add in extra text here to make it more explicit, but the example refers to the Fireteam Integrity rules (for leaving the Fireteam if spending the LT Order), which can only possibly apply to the trooper with NCO. In other words, no spending the LT Order via NCO and nominating a non-NCO trooper as the Team Leader.
     
  14. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    Just curious, were you privy to any discussions (not in a rules context, but in a gameplay/balance one) as to why a Lt. couldn't use their order in a fireteam, but an NCO could?
     
  15. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Pretty much the whole purpose of NCO is to be able to power Fireteams.
     
  16. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. Clarity is good. :)
     
  17. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Related question while we're on the subject, @ijw :

    Do you have to reveal that you're spending the LT Special Order (through your NCO)? Or, because the NCO rule turns the LT Special Order into a Regular Order, do you not have to declare spending the LT Special Order?
     
  18. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Expenditure of LT Orders is Open Information (and they are kept separate anyway), so you'd have to declare it.

    EDIT - from the LT Special Order text:

    The status and expenditure of the Special Lieutenant Order is Open Information. Players must place their Special Lieutenant Order Markers where all players can see them.
     
  19. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    No, theres more to that particular statement, this is the second time this quesiton has been asked by this poster (though in a different locataion) and I was pretty much told to P*ss off for answering it the first time and that it was my fault that no answer had been made in the official forums
     
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  20. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Taking the word of someone third-hand just isn't good enough. It's not about you; it's that communications about rules need to come from CB.
     
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