You just kick Joan out of the link, replace her with an order sergeant, and there you have a 4 man core! Or a 3, if you don't happen to have an OS standing around.
If the trooper that died wasn't Team Leader, then it doesn't need to be reformed. Not to mention that even when it breaks one can form a Joan/Santiago Duo and carry on. Or this. I fail to see much of a problem. Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 1 1 FATHER-KNIGHT Lieutenant Spitfire / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 50) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) TEUTONIC KNIGHT (Fireteam: Haris, Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 36) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 23) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) GROUP 2 5 BULLETEER Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 23) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) MULEBOT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army And it's not even optimized to make the most of what we can do.
Looks almost good. You better pray this poor HRL OS won't eat crit trying to kill Q-Drone or Rriot Girl ;P
Isn't that the case with any 1 W trooper we field? We can't be afraid to use the tools at our disposals, because we fear crits ;)
What is this madness? I'd never use the new Tik over the HMG Seraph. Like, OMG, I think the HMG Seraph is by FAR my favorite Pano TAG. ITS A SUPER JUMPING HMG TAG. O.O Its like a wet dream come true. Not to mention unlike the invincible army, MO has wonderful TO camo options and Auxbots to guard their DZ. MO is a much more flexible army able to do everything from mix LI + HI fireteams to Deathstar HI links.
True. Patsy doesn’t seem to have her NCO in Vanilla, but she still costs the same, any word if that is deliberate or a glitch?
Well, having Core noted on everything was better than randomly excluding only a few units from it. Well, I'm with you on the Santiago. Some aspects of their change are, disappointing. But all up I think MO exchanged raw power for flexibility and I think the total number of viable builds went up. Yeah, I know one guy in my meta who will be ITCHING to get that into action.
Ridiculous (mostly linked) Nine-HI lists are now very possible (but I wouldn't bet a Tournament win on it)... At least it sounds fun to try. 19 wounds to go through... Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 4 KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Spitfire, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 43) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) MAGISTER KNIGHT Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 22) KNIGHT OF MONTESA Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 39) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 3.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
So AP HMG is +11 pts (check line Kazak), HMG is +8 pts (both on top of a combi rifle), so why is the new MO Tikbalang 7 pts more expensive than the old one? It exchanges it's AP mine for a AP to DA CCW upgrade, which is a bad trade, but points wise it's ok (see? the point system is wrong CB), the only other difference is the AP HMG over a HMG and Religious troop. So maybe Religious troop costs 4 pts on a TAG? Which would be bullshit.
So, we are running tournament tomorrow and I came up with some lists for you guys to discuss. Missions are, annihilation, acquisition and power pack. Hateful 10──────────────────────────────────────────────────10 TIKBALANG OF MONTESA (Religious Troop) AP HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / DA CCW. (2 | 92) CRABBOT Flash Pulse / Knife. () PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) FATHER-KNIGHT Missile Launcher / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 49) ORDER SERGEANT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49) 6.5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army This one is prolly for anihilation only, as second turn doesn’t matter as much and tic is good dominating piece imo. 16 second try──────────────────────────────────────────────────GROUP 1 8 ORDER SERGEANT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) KNIGHT OF SANTIAGO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges + 1 TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 38) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (+1 | 49)GROUP 2 6 2 KNIGHT HOSPITALLER HMG / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 39) KNIGHT HOSPITALLER Doctor (Fireteam: Haris, MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 36) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) MULEBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 7 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army This one is for the other two, we have got good home link with sturdy ML platform, santy for going in skirmish under cybermask and beatstick Haris. Your thoughts gents?
It really really isn't. :-( A limited list of issues caused include: Asking if a Fireteam: Core full of wildcard troopers still needs someone with the (non-existent) Core Skill, Training players to think that Skill presence = Fireteam (aka Onyx players running three Samaritans in a Haris, Neoterra players running CSU Duos etc. etc.) instead of looking up the actual Fireteams for a unit, Having something that isn't a Skill listed as a Skill. Seriously, listing Core as a Skill is the source of a good 40% of all rules questions about Fireteams. :-(
Then it might be listed elsewhere. Under the unit, together with special fireteams notes. But keep it in the army in some way, browsing through Wiki/PDF/book shouldn't be necessary. In an attempt to reduce number of question you'll make it more difficult for players.
Yes, as I've said before, I agree. But at this time, that's not going to happen, and listing Core as a Skill causes more problems than it solves.
