Are you implying that the uprising was somehow devised and acted out as a way to punish the current yujing playerbase and not a narrative event that was hinted at for a long time?
I didn't say the event, I said how it was handled. Uprising could have been rolled out in a fair and entertaining way as many others have described. Instead we got half our models taken away, nearly all of our faction's supposed CC identity, fluff about chinese space hitler and an official message from CB saying "You gonna have a rough year boys, lol *trollface*"
You're still somehow attributing malice to a release and therefore justifying the vitriol that followed, not just about uprising but CBs competence, and ability to design their game. It sucked, but in a lot of ways CB actually tried to soften the blow. Just not in the ways some people expected orv wanted. We can discuss that, but the whole thing is no where near as heartless as our ad-hoc forum historians like to try make it out as.
And we ought not to forget that those ad-hoc forum historians are not necessarily representative of any larger segment of the player base. Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't. The only thing certain is that they are vocal in their disquiet. And if the expectation is that their vociferousness would drive future decision making, well...
If their (not unreasonable) expectation is that a more measured response will simply be met with another bout of fury, why would they do anything differently?
I felt, from my point of view, that it was bad marketing followed by malice. Maybe not intentional malice but misplaced embarrassment for doing a poor job. Which escalated. Edit: From the ones I know, that played YJ, they were equally unhappy but just didn't say anything and were not forum people. I know of at least one that stopped playing YJ. I knew people that were happy with JSA getting their own sectoral but none that were happy they were gone from YJ.
If you define the absolute dumpster fire of how they tried handling that "softening the blow" uhhhh.... sure? I sure hope you're not referring to the half assed dog shit attempt at CBLs, because those were terrible dude and they weren't even fun to play. In fact I'm pretty sure the terrible fluff that accompanied them probably just pissed even more people off. Or am I misremembering and people actually liked PsychoCrane and genocide squad? Remember doing something, even if it's ultimately in some fashion helpful, doesn't guarantee it was a respectful way to do it or will be perceived as such. If I spill a drink on you I could help you in two ways I could apologise profusely and hand you a towel or I could laugh at you and throw a towel in your face Both options get you the towel you need to dry off. However, given that neither of us are on close terms or have any rapport or understanding, doing the second option is only going to make you angrier as it is completely disrespectful. CB's incompetence came across as the second option. They handled a situation badly, and then @Bostria simply made the situation worse. As he continues to do so, in this thread.
I think the disconnect here is that many don't perceive the communication from CB to be measured, reasonable, or sincere in the first place. You suggest that CB has been earnest, open and transparent in their communication and that a segment of the community responded to that with vitriol and disrespect and now CB is only responding in kind. Has there been a lot of open communication that's been thrown back in their faces such that it might trigger this response? I don't think so, but maybe I'm mistaken.
I've gotten to the point that I can forgive CB for Uprising. It absolutely sucked and was terribly handled on the YJ side, but it was heavily foreshadowed in lore and NA2 is generally a success story. I gathered that CB had learned from the mistakes due to the far better handling of the sectorials going out of production later. Bostria's "enjoy your armies while you still can" comment in the Warsaw video has singlehandedly made me unsure about expanding my Bakunin force into Vanilla over Christmas. Why the hell did he think it was a good idea to bring that up again? I don't think I'll want to buy into any Vanilla at all until there is an official statement that there won't be any more sectorial splits, it's just too much investment in time and money to throw away on a game designer's whim.
If you enjoy your faction being represented by 2 dimensional saturday cartoon villains, sure. Wasn't some of the finest writing I've witnessed.
You mean seeing the secret police of an authoritarian and totalitarian police state, who routinely disappear people, acting like it? Ditto.
And that's where you're wrong like many other players. So if you plan on basing your justifications about uprising lore in that logic you'd better give up.
Yeah, the part where they totally decided information control was not necessary, and screwed the pooch to the point where the entire HS teamed up on them? Yeah, totally competent, guys.
Guys, I don`t post on forums too often, but seriously from my point of view @Bostria hadn`t said anything offensive. Maybe it could be interpreted as a joke, which was not particularly funny, but I don`t understand why some of you continue to act as a drama queens and tries to get some attention by saying that you will quit buying infinity because of his post and video. It`s just your decision to be offended and nobody actually cares, so stop crying.
There's a difference between disappearing people compared to systematically killing a people because of their ethnic origin. One would hope that in the future it wouldn't be the same China of today.
Because it's now been shown, through @Koni 's posts, that a measured, simplistic response with even small bits of information (even though we're close to release, so we didn't really need it/they didn't have to give it) was very well received; including the comment about the Army update expected release. Thing is, the furious response was to having the rug pulled from under us. Communicating with us clearly, if not revealing everything of course, is a million times better than nothing. And it's infinitely better than deliberately antagonising people.
This right here is endemic of the selective memory. Uprising had a change to proxy rules which provided ways to potentially use models which were no longer useful in your current army, while people whethered the storm. Some people didn't like that or think it did anything because of reasons. They proceeded to basically cuss out CB and generally be dicks. Related or unrelated, bostria trolled. See how there was a step missed? Bostria trolling isn't a justification for some Yu Jing players being rude, and continuing to be rude. That started well before. and yeah, we said wait and see, and you didn't wait, but you did see and it wasn't good. Fair enough, everyone agrees it was handled badly but that wasn't and still isn't a reason to generally be antagonistic and then expect better treatment. But get fucking real guys, you were shouting bloody hell well before bostria added to the fire.
