Invincible Army post mortem

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Triumph, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    Yeah, maybe Daoyings'll have SWC increases?
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but so far I haven't found any occurrence where there is a unit which can fill or break the SWC cap using only it's least costly SWC option and its own AVA. We shall see, it would be an little more than an oddity and an annoyance for symmetry reasons, but we shall see.

    I can see a Heavy Shotgun profile clocking in at about 45/0 points, give or take a Panzerfaust.
     
  3. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    I'd honestly find a dual sniper ( Or maybe perhaps a single, special ammo sniper, kinda like Blackjacks. ) profile or even a dual HFT profile more... fitting for a Yan Huo? Since aren't they about shoving as big as possible onto their shoulders?
     
  4. Sedral

    Sedral Jīnshān Task Force Officier

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    Neurocinetic dual plasma sniper, freshly ripped off an Overdron's back on Paradisio.
     
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  5. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    Honestly sounds like something a Yan Huo would do.
    Kind of.
    This is assuming there was any plasma sniper left to salvage after the HRMC finished it's job.
     
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  6. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    It would be fitting, but on the other hand this would not reduce the SWC much (down to 1,5 for the single sniper version, at best) and we already have a dual missile launcher which fills that rangeband sufficiently.

    Sniper is something I'd love to see on the Mowang chassi, simply because of Mimetism - albeit we don't know what else is in store for that one, nor what the two other sniper HI (Haidao and Daoying) are going to be fitted with.
     
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  7. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Because Yu Jing
     
  8. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I mean, if the Pang FTO is the 8pt baggage bot I get why they have to be limited to 1 per team, you could build some stupid undercosted teams otherwise.
     
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  9. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    It'd be almost like letting an HI join a Kuang Shit fireteam, except replace the Kuang Shi with walking ammo boxes.
     
  10. Mc_Clane

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    On a lot of 400 games I end up wasting remaining SWCs, specially on LI.

    Somehow I don't see the point of a low SWC yanhuo... the main theme of the Yanhuo is to be a Heavy weapon platform. For light/assault weapons we have the mowang or other troops.
     
  11. SKOZZOKONZ

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    So no quad chain rifle yan huo?
     
  12. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    Quad HFT Yan Huos please.

    It's at least fit the firepower idea more closely.
     
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  13. Mahtamori

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    Well... likewise there's no point in AVA 4 Yan Huo without a low-SWC option. The games balance point is clearly at 300 with 200 and 400/500 being game options that require radically different listbuilding.

    It strikes me as a very oddly high AVA regardless of point level.
     
  14. ObviousGray

    ObviousGray Frenzied Mushroom

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    Or we get a discount on Yan Huo's SWC, Just like OS in MO.

    That won't help overcoming Yan Huo's major drawback, but still, something to think about. 1.5SWC Neuro MLs are not bad actually.
     
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  15. Section9

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    That's called a Mowang.


    Aim for center of mass, at typical Infinity ranges there shouldn't be any hits on the plasma snipers.



    No, Dual Chain Cannons. TAg-scale chain rifles.

    Dam15 AP (and stealing the old apocalypse Hellstorm template from GW, a 5" round template at the end and 16.5" long).
     
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  16. paraelix

    paraelix Seed Embryo Scholar

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    All I can hear in my head when reading this is...

    Kaaaaaaaaaameeeeeeeeee - haaaaaaaaaaameeeeeeeee...
     
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  17. Mahtamori

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    OS doesn't have a discount in MO, they have a penalty in vanilla, but yeah, that might be possible.
     
  18. SpectralOwl

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    Given how many options seem to be incoming for increasing the order pool and the number of versatile links available between Core, Haris and Duos on everything but the Support Pack, Invincible Army is going to be downright OP in Biotechvore. All that HI is also going to be very unpleasant for Frostbyte opponents, too. And Limited Insertion... Anyone else think of any scenarios where IA's unusual design will help win missions?

    On alternate, SWC-free profiles for the Yan Huo, twin Flammenspeers and MK15s could be fun.
     
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  19. Triumph

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    You are correct it will give them a significant advantage in Biotechvore, on the other hand, nobody takes Biotechvore seriously as a mission and you'll find alot of TO's will never put it in an event because it immediately shafts anyone who can't use link teams.

    I haven't found any egregious advantage to spamming HI in Frostbyte. You don't need to dump pts into the exclusion zone you just need to get the datatracker in there, and aggressive non HI links usually just take the last turn to drive their way forwards into the opponent's heated zones and set up shop there. The Zencha is probably the only really noticeable difference, gives you a skirmishing button pusher that you can leave forward and won't give up pts when it dies at the end of the game.

    It improves your ability to go for a last turn dive on an enemy datatracker and not have to worry about pulling out, but on the other hand you can do that with any particularly high tier HI like a Hac Tao, so I'm not really sure if this is actually much of a change.
     
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  20. Ariwch

    Ariwch Tournament benthotic lurker

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    Still wonder, why Liu Xing and (especially!) Zhencha were taken to present Invincible Army instead of any of these others units :-\
     
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