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Saucy Sepulchre Speculation

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Judge Dredd, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Fluffwise, I can't see the OS getting a LT profile.

    That's also why I hated seeing Fusiliers in MO, because the mooks were somehow the LT in charge of the knights.
     
  2. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    I dont see that argument.

    its no different than arguing a fusilier cant boss around someone like Joan or any other Knight Lt.
    and quite frankly that kind of argument can take a hike if game balance requires different
     
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  3. Ixidro

    Ixidro Deep agent infiltrated in PanOceanian HQ

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    As the lore states, OS aren't knights yet. Most of them are there to earn resurrection points for themselves or others (remember, ALEPH gave the Neochurch the power to decide wheter a PanO citizen is resurrected each year) by doing this deed. They are a level lower than Magister Knights. And as such they on't belong in an order yet or they stay as OS because their lack of commitment. So yeah, it's pretty much nonsensical for them being the Lt. (more like the opposite way)

    As a small trivia, Indigo Brother Konstantinos is in MO to earn res point for her sister who died 2-3 years ago in a bombardement at Paradiso (IIRC).
     
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  4. Skoll

    Skoll Well-Known Member

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    I thought it was his lover but i might be recalling wrong
     
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    I'd actually argue that the Fusiliers, thanks to sheer size and lack of specialist training, probably have a few officers who outrank Joan just from experience and spare time to work at a desk. It's a different story with MO, since many of their units are explicitly tied to rank- it's actually really weird that the Seraph lacks a LT profile, as they are supposedly piloted by the heads of entire orders. CB seem to want MO making heavy use of its LT order, and are providing safety nets so that can happen. IMO this is a good thing, Loss of Lieutenant isn't fun and neither is leaving three guys with Combi Rifles in the backfield doing nothing out of fear that their boss could die.

    I'm pretty sure Indigo "Brother" Konstantinos is a dude. Other than that, sounds accurate.
     
  6. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member
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    He was a thrill seeker who accidentally killed his girlfriend in some extreme sport and now he's devoted himself to resurrecting her.
     
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  7. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Didn't he killed her in car accident while actually trying to save her ? (as he was in a rapid response unit)
     
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  8. SmaggTheSmug

    SmaggTheSmug Well-Known Member

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    He crashed a "lunar roverplane" into a building she was in, causing her death. Her name was Niki.
     
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  9. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    they arent even on the path to being knights, they are essentialy the riflemen of the MO.

    Which makes them basically MO fusiliers
     
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  10. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    No cheerleader LT makes any sense in the game, Order sergeants are no different. I suppose it's a design decision to have the loss of LT feature in the game, and so everyone have a "cheap and default protection" against it. In this sense, OS LT is the very same as Fusilier (or Line Kazak or Ghulam, whatever).
     
  11. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Fusiliers being in command of Knights makes perfect sense if the Fusilier is more highly ranked than the Knights in question. Although are all Knights officers? I dunno.
     
  12. herod1204

    herod1204 Knight of Santiago

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    It would potentially make sense with Santiago's, given they are embedded into the pano navy, assuming that fusiliers operate in the navy.

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  13. MrMorphine482

    MrMorphine482 Well-Known Member

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    Speaking in terms of what I know of tactics, "a sergeant in motion outranks a colonel who doesn't know what he's doing." Alternatively for fans of Schlock Mercenary, "an ordnance tech at a dead run outranks everybody."

    Simply put, the Knights have a distinct mission and are part of their own paramilitary hierarchy, while the Fusilieri are PanO regular military. A Fusilier LT to me is the idea of the Knights having (technically) the greater authority among their troops, but deferring to the Fusilier because he's the commander on the ground, has the more immediate knowledge, etc.

    Think Apone deferring to Gorman from Aliens and vice versa - even though Gorman is technically in command, he relies on Apone to make decisions in the field, and though Apone is ultimately smarter than Gorman and more seasoned, he heeds the chain of command for all the good it does them. I know it's not the best example, but it's honestly the first that came to mind on the fly.

    I'd LOVE for Order Sergeants to get their own LT option from pragmatic means, or at least a CoC option given their position as the aides to the Knights proper, but I admit there's not much sense for an OS LT. The Heirarchy there just doesn't lend well, we can't give the Sword of Ultimate Truth to a Noob, etc.
     
  14. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    How exactly a fusilier is a more experienced soldier than a knight? And how are knights paramilitary? They are not fat neckbeards playing airsoft on weekends, they are the zealots in power armor that shoot better than the fusilier and can still deus vult their face in with that big ass sword (unlike the Swiss guard).
     
  15. Death

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    The Knights are paramilitary because they are not part of the normal Pano chain of command. A Fusilier can be LT for the same reason he can lead Swiss Guard and Hexa units in battle. Your commander does not have to be equipped with top tier gear himself to give orders.

    Though I'm ok with MO not having Fusiliers since it makes the force more self contained.
     
  16. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, in the real world, the team leader is almost always armed with a basic rifle (or carbine). Team leader usually has more important things to do than use an MG to best effect.

    But in MO specifically, an Order Sergeant is not even a squire to a knight yet. That's the very bottom of the barrel for ranks. If you really dig down into the etymology of the word, 'sergeant' comes from the same root as 'servant'!
     
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  17. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    I'm not talking about loadouts. The Fusilier seems like the just off the training camp line infantry, not exactly LT material.

    I'm not talking about equipment, but training, years of experience, ability to command whatever.

    Fusiliers leading Hexa is the same stupid as any cheerleader LT.
     
  18. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Fusilier isn't a rank, it's a Regiment or order of battle classification.

    So you get Fusilier Privates, Fusilier Corporals, Sergeants, Corporals of the Horse, Lieutenants, Brigadiers, Captains, Commanders, etc etc.

    In game terms we don't really care about what rank the trooper is, just who is in charge. A Fusilier Lt. could be an actual Lieutenant, or a higher rank, or a Sergeant who is most familiar with the matters at hand, or even a special military advisor on detached duty who has called in the big guns. In game terms he's calling the shots on this operation so that makes him the Lt.
     
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  19. McNamara

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    I mean WIP12 says everything already, doesn't it!? ;)
     
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  20. Judge Dredd

    Judge Dredd Well-Known Member
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    I think a lot of you are missing the historical context of sergeant where they made up the rank and file of the orders particularly the Teutonic order. As MO draws on history it doesn't make much sense for them to hold command.
     
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