A Return - New to Aleph

To put it mildly. Posthumans are one of the very few units in the game that might be actually overpowered. They were massively boosted after HSN3 - the N3 version of the major game expansion - streamlined and improved their rules, while making them a bit cheaper at the same time. To sum them up shortly:

Mk.1 is the utility Proxy. If you want a Doc or Engineer you can take Sophotect who can do it all, or you can take a much cheaper Mk.1. Given that most of the time there's not a lot to heal (most our units using NWI), but a lot to repair, Engineer sees the most use. Hacker is nice, if you just want some cheap hacking support.

Mk.2 is the TO Camo infiltrator. One of its major advantages is that it can use Hidden Deployment without costing you an order. As Nemo probably said already, it's one of the few camo infiltrator snipers actually worth it; it's cheap, durable, and - again - losing it doesn't cost you an order. Hacker sees a lot of use as infiltrating specialist; having a shotgun is a cherry on top.

Mk.3 is the "light" assault HI. It's mostly overshadowed by more durable and better armed Mk.4, but it has its niche if you're looking for something fast. MOV 6-2 means it can move further with Move+Shoot orders, and it can work well for deep raids into enemy territory. Push it up one flank, put in Suppressive Fire, watch enemy wasting orders to take out HI for basically no gain, or leave it unmolested and risk it going on a killing spree through their Deployment Zone.

Mk.4 is Mk.3 written larger; more durable, with heavier weaponry. HMG is awesome as a general purpose unit, HRL is quite good in ARO, or if you can catch a few models under one template.

Mk.5 is very cheap specialist. FO with Forward Deployment L1 (increased to L2 in the current ITS season rules), very versatile weapon set and NWI for 10 pts. It's almost an autoinclude. Mk.12 loadout is pretty much overshadowed by the FO and sees little use.

When taking Posthumans always consider taking full AVA of Netrods. They store the Posthuman's order if all the Proxies go down, so you won't lose it even then.

A note about Yadu: Nemo did make a cheeky remark about that in his first post, because he and I don't see eye to eye on this :P Yadu are expensive yet very versatile troops, and they enable some interesting Haris options. Full Core link will probably be too expensive to use effectively, but Haris with a good combat loadout (HMG, HRL, Shakti with her Mk.12, Asura or Deva Spitfire, Rudra K1MR or Red Fury), and specialist (again - Shakti, Asura hacker, maybe Deva FO or AHD) can be very effective. And the basic Yadu loadout of Multi Rifle, E/Marat and Drop Bears is extremely versatile, able to deal with a wide range of units. Shakti requires a special mention; she's Yadu on steroids, first MI in the game to have two wounds. She also has a good weapon set, is a specialist, and can deal with enemy hackers pretty much on her own. She also enables Yadu Duo or Haris - which can be then joined by a wide range of units - just by herself. It's another unit that's almost an autoinclude. Yadu HMG is another special case - it's a good unit with a new NCO rule. We know that it'll allow it to use the Lieutenant order (imagine the combo with Asura's Lt2), but since the rule haven't been released yet, we can't use it in game and we don't know the exact wording. When it gets released, though, it should be a very good choice.

 

It's actually a useful tool in Limited Insertion to get multiple models, with their own abilities, ARO locations, etc... but only costing you one order of your 10. You can have 9 miniatures providing 1 order each, and 3 providing a single order (three Proxies) as long as you can pay for it points-wise. It's a good idea to take a Netrod or two if your Proxies tend to die on you, because they can preserve the order (basically as long as you have a Netrod then the order can transfer to it if all your Proxies die), but I wouldn't go out of my way to include a Netrod in a LI insertion list if you can include other things and be happy with it: it's a cool bonus, but not necessary to run Proxies (I mean, they're already surviving one model loss, or two if you take three, and that alone is crazy survivability of their order).

As to your other list, for small games I'd actually prefer the Dart profile with mines: they're harder to deal with at smaller points values, and there are fewer targets for E/M grenades at lower points value. With your current specialists you'll be unable to do a lot of classified objectives, and definitely would benefit from another (even if it's only a Dakini paramedic, though another 2 specialists in varying fields would be best). And I already mentioned how I'm a convert on using 200 points for all but the most rudimentary games, so I won't bother trying to tweak your points down to 150 (which is pretty rough on ALEPH without using baggage bots, the CSUs for O.S., and maximum Netrods).

 

I think it's a bad reason to take netrods. Take netrods if you want the cheap orders. Not because you have posthumans. The posthuman's order is already very hard to lose, there is little point in wanting to secure it further. Just take the netrods if you need them to fuel orders into something. Don't take them if you don't need it, for example if you are building a limited insertion list.
If the opponent really did kill all the posthuman bodies, either he used so many orders he is already in a pinch, or he is dominating the board and killing a netrod is not really a problem if he needs it (and he probably already did anyway).

 

You might be right, I have the "Netrods are necessary" view imprinted from the older days, when Posthumans needed them more, If I remember correctly.

My main concerns for this list would be an obvious Lt and limited number of specialists. But this can be worked with...

Operations Subsection of the S.S.S.
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SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
PROXY Mk.1 Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
NETROD . (0 | 4)
DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)

3 SWC | 200 Points

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Or, alternatively:

Operations Subsection of the S.S.S.
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10
SHAKTI Lieutenant Hacker (Killer Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Sucker Punch) Mk12, E/Marat / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (0 | 40)
PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
PROXY Mk.1 Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 14)
DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 17)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
NETROD . (0 | 4)
NETROD . (0 | 4)

4 SWC | 200 Points

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You used to need Netrods, otherwise the Posthuman ego could get trapped in a "dead" Posthuman Proxy and thus you lost the Order and the functionality of the rest of them.

 

Yeah, I remembered correctly. It's true that they don't have much to be afraid of now.

 

Heh, nice idea ;)

Which sniper are you talking about? Old Naga model is nice, but it'd be hard to do a head swap for a helmet or something.

Other good conversion bases: Chandra, female Dactyl, Scylla, Miranda Ashcroft, maybe Bit? Some Hassassin models might work as well.

 

Whould suggest Al Hawwa Sniper
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I will use her for my mk 2

 

Hmm, haven't thought about that, as she's already female.

 

Got it. Hopefully you'll find suitable proxies. Good luck with your project.

 

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but i'm struggling to make a 100% female posthumans team as well. I'm kind of ok with old female models, but just couldn't bear the new male ones. So i got myself a Uxia (with head swapped with chandra helmet) as Mk5FO. Possibly Mk3 can be used as Mk4HMG ('though an alternative would be welcome), but i totally can't find a proper substitute for Mk4 HRL. Got any ideas? Bear in mind that i'm not very good in conversions, so light modifications only ideas please!

 

I think it was @xagroth who made a post about all the options we had about Posthuman proxies, but was on the old forum

 

I'd try to grab a Riot Grrl for conversion purposes. Helmet and weapons swap, proper paintjob, and it should fit in just fine.

 

Wu ming HRL? Cheap blister, also HI, female with HRL.