Its less reading comprehension and more that you need to be more clear in what your saying. Because its not clear. Hmm, I'd say Domaru having berserk is a better deterrent vs scary CC elites than anything the MO have. Against Fuisiler, just shoot it with the shotgun is still probably the best bet. I'd say shooting is still the Domaru main means of killing. As for the actual topic. It seems its really HAPENING. Pano is getting nice things. Vanilla Pano will love an NCO Orc so its can make use of the common fusilier LT order. Pano with bikes is interesting. The dream would be for them to have an eclipse smoke LGL but if they are smiliar to penny they could still be good but damn expensive. I assume they will not be HI bikes but who knows. MO getting access to bikes is an interesting idea. MO still needs a KHD though. Varuna getting Tak levels of link team variety is great news. Mixed links are great for Orcs, because an Orc haris is still questionable. But 1 Orc + 3 Fusiliers + 1 Kamau is a good link for its cost.
For five times the cost, my Domaru better be better than CC warbands. But they're not. A Domaru is CC23A MA3 with with a Shock CCW for 26 points. A Shaolin Monk is CC23 MA3 with a Shock CCW, smoke, and impetuous orders for 5 points. A Galwegian has Berserk, Impetuous Orders, Smoke and an AP CCW for 6 points. Oh, and they're dogged. Hell, even Morlocks are CC21 MA2 with DA CCWs, Smoke and Metachem for 6 points. Oh, and they still get Impetuous orders/discounts. And no, Domarus are evenly matched with most of these warbands, they are not decent at fighting them off. The risk of CCing a 5 point unit is too high versus shooting them, and any other HI in the game can outshoot a Domaru.
Guys no need to fight about if a unit is good or not, just remember and repeat after me "It's not your list, it's you" and by logical extension this must extend to units as well right? Also I want to be the pseudo-intellectual here... it sounds smart.
considering he doesnt have 5 times the investment in cc, often has three to infinite times the armor of said warbands, an additional wound. assault on all but the galwegian . gains an additional order as well if it kills something . has better bs than all of those warbands, em grenades for speculative fire a great variety of targets. And guess what, at the end of the day the domaru still needs a single order investment to remove a marut or achilles from the game, until an engineer successfully repairs it, none of those other warbands can do that. the domaru is also fighting on more than even terms with all those warbands. hell the most dangerous to it is the morlock on the offchance it can sneak both wounds through and that one has the worst f2f chance. whereas the domaru can afford to shrug a wound and merc the rest, you are also not supposed to engage dirt cheap targets in melee, you can easily shoot them with any portions of your list, but the domaru is not an easy target for those warbands to bully, like say a montesa or a hospitaller would be , and both those are far more costly than 26 point boy over there
Why is it that whenever I think of a Knight on a bike the first image that jumps into my head is the Lawmaster Judges bike from the 2000AD comics? Not the movie versions but the print form.
Well, we were talking earlier about law enforcement, after all ;) And Lawmasters are one of the top examples of fictional heavy bikes. And I actually liked the move version as well.
Which movie version? The bike in latest one was a bit bland for my taste but the bike from the Stallone abomination I thought was one of the few positive points in the movie.
Broken down to refute each point. I don't think this is material -- he's five times as expensive to the player. Which works out to at best, 25% more survivability against a DAM12 weapon. It will always be worse than this in reality, due to ammo types and the fact that almost every weapon in the game is higher than DAM12. This is incredibly dishonest -- it's additional order the other ones start with. +1 BS compared to most of these units (which barely matters since all of them rely primarily on template weapons) and no smoke dodge (which is an effective +3 to dodge). Spec fire on a 10 against a unit you can just CC with an E/M CCW? I would rather have smoke. Yes, it's also 5 times as expensive. 3 Galwegians can permanently remove any of those units by just berserking. One wound does not account for 20 points difference. I mean sure, but even odds against a unit that costs 20% of what you do is not a good trade.
first of all how is citing game mechanics dishonest ? if you wont even admit domaru possess frenzy you are the one that is being dishonest here. secondly stat investment is in no way immaterial. 3 points of armor seems to make a lot of difference otherwise why take cover against models with marksmanship at all ? or why use blast mode boarding shotguns, 3 armor clearly means nothing at all. thirdly the one who is being dishonest is you, he has 3 bs on the monk, 2 on the galwegian, and 1 difference only on the morlock. Within 8 they domaru has a viable pistol aro, whereas most of these dont. There are a number of reasons to spec fire on 11s rather than go melee the same thing, from aro presence to number of targets you can spec fire. Hell the domaru is linkable which only the galwegians can boast, so it can spec fire on 14s Yeah they have smoke grenades, but the domaru has em grenades, if you approach a linked domaru within 8 you are potentially getting hit back with burst 2 EM grenades on 17s before range and cover modifiers, none of the other nerf herders can boast that. 3 galwegians likely will not in fact do so by berserking they dont even particularly have great odds of killing achilles while berserking, it is also significantly more difficult to get 3 models into base to base than just 1. wound value is one of the highest cost attributes in the game, and a single wound might not be worth 20 points but CB certainly thinks all the other crap i listed adds up to it. you also keep working under the pretense that i said that domaru was somehow a warband hunter when i said clearly you hunt the warbands with other parts of your list, what I DID say was that the domaru was nowhere near as vulnerable as other HI to being hunted by said warbands.
From their fluff, they put Montesas on Acontecimento. This was their "thing" and the reason there was a knight in that army: its their home planet. There are many other knightly orders in PanO that could use some time in the spotlight, like Tuetons or the EQUESTRIAN KoHS which might have been a better excuse to expand into more places of Panociana fluff. This would leave the Montesas as being a more unique Acontecimento thing, and would pave the way for each order to go with a sectorial (like Hospitalliers in Blizzard Force). Think of this like CB putting Intruders into Tunguska, or Equipe Mirage-5 into TAK. Yes, they can write a story to change the fluff where it works... but its incongruent to the rest of the fluff, and doesn't respect those original sectorials. It seems rather ham-fisted at the moment, and CB has always (well, up until 2018 and they made an army thats "all the ITS and pre-order promos") been trying to make sure everything "makes sense" in-universe.
At the moment is the operative statement. We know there will have to be a reason a la De Hell’s Group to explain why SAA is going on hold, and that could provide the opening for Montesa to expand to another world.
Acontecimento explodes while the whole Montessa Order is on a beach vacation... so they decide to stay?
Both bikes are nice, though the modern one - while admittedly more bland, I agree - is also more realistic. Which for me is an important thing, as more realistic details make it easier to overlook less realistic premise, like psionic powers or Judges in general ;)
squería Franchising. It's just before the Japanese Uprising, The Knights of Montesa began franchising their dream goal - A Paella Churrasquería fast food restaurant chain. Cos they're Valencian, see? Anyway, the regular Acon troops all got hired to work in Montesaellasquería. The Motorknights are in fact delivery drivers. And the Japanese independence has opened up massive new markets. This has sadly caused a risk massive manpower shortages for the Shock Army if all the new employees leave at once, but PanO strike a deal to have Merovingians come in as support troops once they're done with whatever they were getting on all those Eraknoplans for... And so, Aconticmento explodes... across the human sphere as part of a massive fast food chain.
Sometimes I fail to understand the forum. Useless locust/ORC: git gud noob, great toolbox unit. Chad Domaru: worthless unit, can't CC.
Noted and amended Because Domaru are overshadowed by a Big S5 Dude. PanO lack a Big S5 Dude, and so the most reliable and basic HI are seen as useful.
