it's upsetting that you think like this. I see whatever argument I make is moot because it will fall on a mind that is already made up. I only ask that you open your mind a bit when looking units and what role they may or may not play coupled with who they can/cannot link with.
If math upsets you, maybe we shouldn't be arguing to begin with. Hey you can try to keep up appearances I don't care, go ahead. Agree to disagree or whatever. This reminds me of the guy who wanted to argue bad lists don't exist, even after a 30 Fusilier list was used as proof of concept. BTT: Montesas with Bike should get Impetuous to keep them cheap. But I'd really like to see their whole kit get an overhaul instead of making them 8-6 Impetuous and calling it good. A HI Biker combat Specialist would be really neat.
I don't reckon Montessa Knights will suddenly be impetuous, considering the lack of this in the current profile. so I do suspect them to be some what pricy (even though they'll lose Mech Deploy) And even with CB making a lot of "First" with the new releases, I could still see these knights being LI/MI to be sort of squire-esque. At least that way they could shave off a point or two from ARM.
With Dynamos we have a precedent of non-impetous bikers. I fully expect them to keep their Frenzy and current statline.
I had a feeling you'd be the pseudo-intellectual-know-it-all type. very good. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't impetuous, especially if the bike option was baked right into the montessa profile. specialist profile would be pretty cool
Montesa dont have Frenzy. They are fully balanced and dont have any fury characteristic. Ok so apparently Varuna doesnt have any kind of light TAG (if you call Cutter light then you have some issues). What if Montesa Bikes are filling this role ? Some expensive HI with 8-6 MOV and if CB went full crazy mech deployment (for like ~60 pts ?) ?
Montesa have no frenzy. That's why they are so costly. And I hope they will remain without any level of impetuous. They would still have cover when dismounted. As for a Specialist, for what? We already have Croc men for this. I would prefer an optimised kit for killing rather than a Nomad-style jack-of-all-trade. Don't forget that you're playing PanO. The first thing you need is to get out of the DZ and clear the midfield. You'll have the last turn to score. I'm personnally wondering more on the bike itself than the knight on it. We just have no precedent and I'm feeling that it could be something very new, even in the world of the Infinity motorbikes.
With something like an Armoured motorbike that would grant something like NWI on the mounted profile?
Yeah, my mistake on that Frenzy part. Not enough sleep -_- Specialist-wise FO would fit them well. Doc on Hospitallers, Engineer for Santiago, SO for Sepulchre, Smoke/Eclipse for Teutons ;)
No, it would be rules mess (dismount and go Unconcious?) ARM upgrade (while on bike) could be possible (akin to AI motorbike). Or C+ Motorbike ? (because SuperJump motorbike is too crazy for me and would go into Seraph territory)
i was under the impression bikes brought their own discount or it perhaps is all the frenzy bikes making them significantly cheaper than they should be
Huh you're right, Dynamos actually don't have Impetuous. Colour me surprised. Guess the Montesa could turn out quite expensive and questionable then, we'll see. Why so upset mate, ad hominem gets you nowhere. What am I supposed to do with that? Step to your level where you can beat me with experience? Well, it might earn you a report, but those are fairly inconsequential around here. So would you be darling and take your dirt right back where you found it? You're just too smart for me I'm afraid. I'd just like to take a moment to applaud. Not everyone would have managed to be this invested in his metal dollies.
This is my main issue with Domaru right now is this -- a Warband is just as good as it at CC, better at getting into CC due to Impetuous orders and smoke, and almost the same threat level.
The vast majority of bikers are impetuous. Impetuous (regular and extreme): Desperados Mavericks Kum and Kum Characters Zaundnotica Penthesilea Aragato Kuroshi Rider Yojimbo Carmen Johns Frenzy: None Non-Impetuous: Dynamos So out of the biker units and characters the Dynamos, currently, are the only ones that do not have any form of fury.
Bikes generally make units impetuous, though Dynamos aren't, so we may see a shift in how bike units are designed. Frenzy would be really welcome though, it would help offset some of the high investment for a Montesa compared to a Guarda in ASA. Relying on numbers makes people pseudo-intellectual?
Since Varuna is supposed to be a water world I would like to see it be a Jet Ski. and now I wait for the explosions.
they are better than most cc warbands in the game, and supremely dangerous to some high value targets. they are also relatively decent at fighting off warbands. however every other point you made stands. Sadly not every faction can be as blessed with cheap effective smoke as ASS and Tohaa
