Yesterday during a game, my opponent told me he could target my mine when it exploded : The mine is camoed First action : the morlock move into the mine range Reaction : the mine explode Second action : the morlock use his chain rifle on the mine (hitting the naga behind it) Is it possible or is my opponent wrong (and why) ?
http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Camouflaged#Cancellation Mines do not declare orders, they "Trigger" when someone activates in its Trigger Area. This is not an order nor ARO. I don't see Trigger as a cancellation of the Camouflaged status, so it wouldn't reveal itself when exploding. (As far as I know)
The cancellation of Camo that you linked explicitly applies to troopers. We don't actually have directly stated rules for mines/deployables that are in camo state. We know that they can be Discovered to be revealed, and we know that we can destroy them if they are revealed, so they are definitely targetable. We do know that a mine Triggering counts as an Attack, from the effect of Symbiomates being able to absorb them. We also know that things that Attack reveal from Camo. And the since nothing leaves the board until the resolution step, the mine is still on the board during declarations. It seems like it would work, but again there's no direct rules to cite on this, it is all based on inferences of what we know.
As Raghart says, Camouflaged Mines do not declare AROs but simply trigger and get removed from play, without ever revealing. It was intentionally written that way to stop them revealing in ARO and becoming targets for shotguns, template weapons etc. due to abuse of that in N2.
Fair point that the cancellation listed there are only for troopers. But wd DO have directly stated rules for mines (you said so, in the mine description, when they are Discovered). And i also think that the natural thing, by symmetry, would be as you say. But i would not dare to attack an enemy model based only on symettry without an explicit knowledge, as it feels a bit of exploit, so chivalry rules applies. If there were a FAQ about it things would be different, though.
I think this is the bit that's causing issues. There's no Cancellation clause saying this, but instead a list of Skills that, when declared, cancel the Camouflaged state. Mines don't declare or perform Skills.
OK, can you clarify what part I'm missing? Do mines get removed from the board when they trigger, prior to resolution? Or does an attack not necessarily reveal Camo? Or is a mine's trigger not considered an attack? Edit: You responded while I was typing. Hmmm.... interesting. OK, I think I see it.
