Question regarding proxying

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  1. Varsovian

    Varsovian Well-Known Member

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    If it's not a problem, I'd like to ask for clarification regarding proxy rules.

    Basically: I have the Dire Foes pack with Yuriko, Isobel and the Comm-Tech. I'm wondering: would it be acceptable to use the Comm-Tech as a proxy for a Brawler Engineer? She does look like an Engineer, but she also looks completely unarmed. So, would using her go against the ITS rule of proxies having to accurately represent the weapon options of troopers they stand for?

    Also, regarding Isobel: I'm thinking of using her a proxy for Valerya Gromoz, as they look quite similar. But Isobel is depicted with an Assault Pistol, while Valerya has an ordinary Pistol. So, does this break the "accurate representation" rule or not?

    I'd be grateful for your help here!
     
  2. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.

    Edit: 'accurate representation' is basically understood as "So long as both you and your opponent know what it's supposed to be."

    I know someone who runs an Orktruder (Intruder with Big shooter). He's weird. But that's basically just toeing the line

    For the longest time I ran Valerya as Zoe.
     
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  3. Brother Smoke

    Brother Smoke Bureau Trimurti Representative

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    Proxying can be really open-ended depending on your meta

    Personally, if I want to proxy something I just try and have it make sense

    My oddest proxy has been fusilier Angus as an HMG fusilier, because he's the only one that stands out

    Others include: Bandits as Zeros or Morans, Grunts as Brawlers or Minutemen, Mobile Brigadas as Riot Grrls, Nakadai as Saito, Devil Dog as Duroc, etc.

    Just as long as they are the same silhouette, it makes sense, and your opponent is clear on what is what, you should be fine

    All of this is obviously meta-dependent though
     
  4. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Kind of.

    It can be a touchy subject for some people, so they might house-rule that proxies are not okay even if the official rules say they are.
     
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  5. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Current proxy rules from ITS rules:

    "PROXIES Under no circumstances can figures from other brands or manufacturers be used as proxies. The use of other Corvus Belli miniatures is allowed; however, players must inform their adversary which trooper is being represented. The figure must use the same size base as the trooper being represented."

    So you proxy whatever with whatever, as long their bases match. Not even the Silhouettes, just the bases. Yay!

    If you have house rules, than you torture puppies.
     
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  6. Varsovian

    Varsovian Well-Known Member

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    Ah, you see - there are also rules for conversions:

    "CONVERTED FIGURES Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged, as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents the unit and weapon option it stands for. The figure must use the same size base as the trooper being represented."

    So, let's say I take the Comm-Tech and attach Boarding Shotgun to her (I have spare BS from Chandra). Would this work as a proxy for Brawler with Rifle + Light Shotgun..?

    Or, let's say I don't attach anything to her and just say that she packs R+LS? It doesn't represent her weapon, but some of the official minis don't represent their weapon options, either (for example, Nomads' Clockmaker seems completely unarmed)? Hmmm...
     
  7. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    If you play against me, I don't care, I wouldn't recognize the official minis of most of the armies I'm not familiar with. I'm happy to play against bases if needed. I'm also happy that proxy rules have changed, so now you don't have to buy Akals in case you can't decide if you ever want to field the Spitfire variant. Not that I don't have three Akals.

    If you want to read the conversion rules strictly, if you convert, then you need to represent weapons properly, you can't go with "it only has a sword so it can stand in for anything" path. Though you can read "represent the unit and weapon option it stands for" as it you need to put an HMG or a Boarding shotgun, so the weapons that differentiate between the loadouts. So you won't need to sculpt those 2 breaker pistols and the knife on it.

    So proxy with any full CB mini, if the base size match, or make a proper conversion with size match, weapon match, and "troop match", whatever would the last mean.

    But I personally wouldn't take this too seriously, I hate WYSIWYG.
     
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