As in title. Can I use measuring tape or a tool of known lengh to measure the height of the building before I declare climb? Can I measure the gap between buildings or pieces of Terrain?
Ok. Just ant to make sure - I can't place anything of known size next to a building to measure the size of gap or hight of the building? Like siluettes whitch sizes are known?
That's measuring. Doesn't matter, if you do it the British/American way, like putting down three potatoes and a cow to check the distance, or like any civilized person would do, using a tape measure, it's pre-measuring. Putting down S markers is hazy, as you can (this is debated elsewhere just now) do it to check LoF, but just putting down like 4 S2 markers to see how many times 25mm you see is definitely pre-measuring. So you have to use the info that's available to you, like two dudes shooting at each other from two sides of that building, then you know the distance between their bases. Though I'd say you shouldn't use that measuring to check what's the distance between some door or gap or whatever on that exact line. Like you know the distance between the two troops, nothing else.
That would depend on your intentions - there's no getting away from the fact that you have to put down silhouettes to check LOS (regardless of PBI or PBR). Placing silhouettes with the sole intention of determining the size of something* would be measuring *the exception to this might be checking whether you could vault over a terrain piece.
But what is the difference between checking LoF and checking gap size or hight of an object? Acording to some (not me) I can put siluette anywhere anytime. Now there is intent involved. What if I am checking LoF, but accidently do measuring as well? And you say that premeasuring hight for voulting is legal now? How so?
A simple difference is LoS is something you assess all the time simply by looking at the table, and for 95+% of the time is a clear yes/no using just your eyes. "I can put silhouette anywhere anytime. Now there is intent involved. What if I am checking LoF, but accidently do measuring as well?" This happens anyway - replace your model with a silhouette - check line of sight along the route moved - both are accidental measuring regardless of whether it happens "anytime" or not. If your issue is that a player can abuse the "checking LoS at anytime" mentality - then that's an issue with the player and they will try and WAAC any time. If you are trying to surreptitiously negate PBI axioms - then we've been asked to contain that just to the official thread.
I just wanted to know, and since PBI interpretation of checking LoF allows to put siluettes anywhere and anytime to "check LoF" it stroke me that there might be another use for that. In my PBR mentality, this situation would never occur and wouldn't be even possible to think. In PBI, well... it is possible to abuse siluettes for measurements. and I didn't get the answer. Is it allowed to measure hight of an object that I would like to voult later on?
Sorry, I missed that in replying to the first part of your post - and you asking as you have clearly started replying before my edit clarifying that it MIGHT be the exception. I've had a quick look and it looks like you would declare your path, when you hit the obstacle you check height and vault if lower - if not you finish your move there. http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/...-clarification/?do=findComment&comment=684730
Just as I thought. So in fact I can't put Siluette next to a container for example, cause that will be checking hight of it. This is forbidden due to this interpretation.
PBI or PBR have no influence on this. Someone who want to cheat this way can always find something he know the size off to check distance or height : silhouette, template, ruler, rules book, dice box or even his own hand resting casualy on the board
Just saying, but unless you're at Interplanetario it's highly likely the one of the players is the one owning these buildings and have spent considerable time assembling and painting it - or at least have played with the same terrain before. They're going to have a hell of a better knowledge of the dimensions than the guy who hasn't. You can read however much in the rule book you wish, but this is an unknown quality* for the rules writers and you as the players will have to take care to not give one player an advantage simply because of prior experience of the table/terrain. If you solve this by making measurements before the game, do a knowledge sharing prior to game, or simply plonk a silly down whenever you don't know the terrain well enough is up to player agreement - it simply has to be. * They literally can't make rules for this situation.
