So Basic premise and rules here, can a Su Jian at full health fail 3arm rolls in a single instance of damage and activate NWI once it falls into the second level of unconscious? what is the order of events and resolution when these two skills interact with each other?
Su Jian sucks down a delicious ML/autocannon hit and fails all three saves, ends up in unconscious L2, then as it has entered that state chooses whether to stay there or activate a skill which comes into play when a model goes unconscious such as dogged or NWI, It's basically the only unit in the game that can fail three saves at once and still be active state.
And what happens if after loosing 2arm roles he chooses to go NWI and than loses one more? He just goes inactive in the second stage of unconsciousness yes?
The Unidrones have been with the same thing for ages... As for reference, first: You get down to UNC-2 state (2 wounds on Unidrones, 3 on Su Jian, etc...), then you CAN enter NWI legally. It does not matter the amount of wounds being from different sources, as long as it's in the same Order. AFTER activating NWI, a single wound sends the model to Dead.
For me, the easy way to think about it is that there really isn't an "Unconscious Level 2" state. There is only Unconscious. The G: Remote Presence skill allows you to circumvent the normal rule for entering the Dead state while Unconscious. You are allowed to do that once, and you track this by placing a second Unconscious marker on the model. But the marker doesn't mean the model is in a different state. It is still the Unconscious state. One might think that there is an order of operations which requires you to decide to activate NWI when you "first" enter the Unconscious state, but there's no order of operations like that with respect to things that happen in a single Order. It all happens simultaneously. At the end of the resolution your model is in the Unconscious state (either with one token or two). Consequently you can then choose to activate NWI.
Essentially NWI and Dogged only activate when you enter an Unconscious state. If you are already Unconscious, and go to "Unconscious 2" then it has no effect.
Thank you for your input guys, however I ask for your help, apparently it's been ruled out in a FAQ that the Su Jian or troops possesing both skills like Unidrones, must choose one of the skills it first enters unconscious, and that the su jian or other troopers cannot activate NWI or Dogged if they go G:Remote Presence. However looking up through the faqs and wiki I have not found the ruling out that would disallow taking 3 wounds (or rather STR points) and activating NWI when the Su jian is first entering the unconscious state. I opened up this thread because I need to be clarified through the rules what the correct way this interaction goes, as apparently some players have found this ruling out, am I making a Mistake here, or is it legal as long as the three wounds occur in the same order, hence first entering unconscious? In fact reading the rules separately leads to more confusion, I thank you in advance! Edit - Post was Half done when I misclicked the post button.
As long as the three wounds happen in the same Order you can use NWI. Or if you have taken a wound already, and take 2 more in a single order.
I think I know what you mean, but I think what you are getting at is two different cases; Valour: Courage (or higher) and Religious when taking Guts Rolls (example: Hassassin Fiday) Valour: Dogged and Explode Level 1 when entering Unconscious (example: Kuang Shi) These are skills where the two effects come in direct conflict with each other and you have the option to choose which one to activate.
I don't think this is correct. If a model with STR, G: Remote Presence, and Dogged or NWI is Unconscious (not Unconscious 2), and takes another wound, I believe they can "wake up" and become Dogged or NWI.
From the FAQ. How do V: Dogged and G: Remote Presence interact with each other? When a trooper that has both skills enters the Unconscious state for first time, the player controlling it has to choose which to use. NWI is the same
The result of that FAQ is that: If you take 2 W/STR you either go UNC level 1 or NWI. You get to choose. If you take 3 W/STR you either go UNC level 2 or NWI. You get to choose. If you are UNC Level 1 and you take 1 wound you go to UNC level 2. You've previously chosen. If you are NWI and you take 1 wound you go Dead. You've previously chosen.
