I do like CSU duo - 2 specialists for 24 points activated by one order. Meta chemistry lvl1 and decent weapons included - seems like a deal to me. Every list of mine contains them, is there something wrong with them? Rarely I see people including them in their lists.
Well, they only RECENTLY got a purchaseable model, since the previous one was a limited pre-order model, so that might be the issue here.
I can’t believe I forgot to mention the CSU! I’ve been using a duo of SO with Rifle+Lt. Shotgun for a while now and LOVE them. Especially if any roll up the extra movement on Meta Chemistry. To me that list was a lot of “Eggs in one basket”. You spent a lot on the Wu Ming who can only get one specialist. Also if you go against Ariadna a lot, do you need the Tinbot? Also, if you can’t do 3+ Kuang Shi I don’t think they are good to take. Personally, I believe for a limited list, I think every single guy has to be able to do something worthwhile. 1 Kuang Shi, will probably get itself killed in no time and it’s not even worth the 5pts for an order. That list is pretty good for Killy Missions and take and hold missions but not some moving missions. Here’s a variation on what you already had. Yes I know the Lt. is pretty obvious but that’s ISS for you. That's what the Pheasant is for and he's a good defensive troop too. Imperial Service ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 WÚ MÍNG MULTI Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39) WÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39) WÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) WÚ MÍNG (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) ZHÀNYING (Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades, MadTraps / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, MadTraps / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 36) KǍNRÈN Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 29) 2.5 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army
That is my take on it. If you don't feel like needing a hacker you can swap zhanying for some cheaper version or even grab another Wu Ming Observer instead. Combi Rifle+Mines Wu Ming is also not obligatory. Having Pheasant let's you use your Crane agressively. All in all = 5 specialists, shitload of firepower no healing capabilites whatsoever - my thinking being - do I really want to spend 3-5 orders just to heal someone up if I have 10 orders overall? 300/10 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) PHEASANT IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command) Red Fury / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (1 | 35) ZHÀNYING Hacker (Hacking Device) Breaker Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 32) CRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Lieutenant (X Visor) Spitfire, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 54) WÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39) WÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32) WÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25) WÚ MÍNG Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29) NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29) 6 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army
I say if it depends on the mission. If it's a mission that needs to keep points on the board, then yes. If it's one that only requires pushing buttons, then no.
Hmmm, guys, in terms of "mission button push" runing as ISS, the best way are to make 2 groups... the strong of YJ and ISS its make some cheap orders and nice specialist (Guliangs, Hac Tao, Kanren) and the best of all of them and offer to YJ/ISS lists are the Ninja. Isn't posible to divide your order pool in one group to; figth + button push, you need to clear first and then, go to the buttons. If the mission requires playing Limited Insertion... form ISS are a bit difficult but isn't imposible, best choice are from YJ vanilla LI with Hac Tao + Daofei + x2 Guliangs + Ninja + Kanren... So, best choices to take an advanced and alone specialist and going only to pushing buttons are from KHD or FO, thats you want to playing in Vanilla with a Guiliang FO and Ninja KHD, on ISS you can take a Kanren FO or 2scnd KHD with a Ninja. Also the Garuda on ISS paramedic ist great, Tiger soldier too, but... cant compete with the Ninja for only go to push button, in general term using as speciliast, not includin an "dedicate specialist bonus". Also the FO + KHD in the same list can cover 4/10 clasified required by a FO and a any "hacker" example for: data scan. For that reason the Ninja is the best option to do this, button push and clasified hacking, you only show the Ninja on the 2scnd or last turn in hidden deploy... that's its all. Sofotec form ISS, can do all the rest classified by specialist troop, and her best friends are the Kuang Shi. You can order a Kuang Shi to go in unconscious state with the Biolocator on their 2scnd part order from the impetous move, and just go with the Sofotec (or Zanshi MEDIC on vanilla) to try wake up and acomplish the classified if you have experimental drug... That's the easy stuff to go with YJ vanilla or ISS runing only for mission button, not in a directly and heavy game fight. At same time, if you want a regular FO if they dosen't have the advantage to get in directly in the middle of the table, don't take celestial guards... just pick up the FO remote... nice move points, reapeater and sensor, also can have the marskman buff or 2B for ARO... Or simply, pick Xi Zhuang... that's the best choices as a normal FO, they aren't cheap, but can go "alone" quickly and safe (specially Xi Zhuang with shock inmunity + flametrohwer + MadTraps) and playing with datatracker option, you can put him and gains the irregular order for himself from the event from b4ckd00r. Spoiler: ISS Mission 1 Imperial Service ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 4 KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) ZHÀNYING (Fireteam: Haris, Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 27) ZHÀNYING Hacker (Hacking Device) Breaker Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 32) HSIEN HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 61) CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) XI ZHUANG Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, MadTraps / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) GROUP 2 8 4 RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) 5 SWC | 299 Points Open in Infinity Army Spoiler: ISS Mission 2 Imperial Service ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 4 SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 59) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) CELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21) CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) GROUP 2 10 4 RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20) NINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29) KǍNRÈN Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, MadTraps / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 28) CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) 4.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army That's an example in ISS list can offer you to playing with a solid units in active turn, cheap orders, good defendeing in deploy side and contest the same time the button zones.
Guys. Thanks for all the answers. I will use some ideas in a new list and gonna see the results. Thanks all
