Why not? Seems cool to me. Nobody had linkable Smart Missile REMs before Druze, or linkable sensor REMs before Tunguska, why not a linkable Line Trooper Doctor?
I'm simply say that its annoying to quotes something than have it changed by the time i hit respond, and yes i am refreshing the forum fairly frequently, as i dislike leaving conversations langushing the rare occasion i feel like joining in for more than an irreverent comment or two. I posited an idea, other people like it which is fine, you don't which is also fine. i really didn't think this'd be something worth arguing about but hear we are. Shall we all agree to disagree and move on? won't be too much longer till the sectorial drops anyway and we all find out together.
Of course it could happen, and it could happen that IA gets a hacker with HD+ and Upgrades, all I've been saying is that there is no reason for them to have it. Anyway, it just got too heated up, my apologies to Saint and let's hope CB releases the sectorials ASAP.
Note: I am not trying to be abrasive here, but I'm long overdue for sleep and try as I might I can't quite soften the edge any more than that at the current time. I am omitting the irrelevant parts. Steel Phalanx does not have access to Dakinis and before you say this is about Aleph as a whole, it's not since Vanilla factions don't really get links, now do they? As far as this whole tangent goes you should really define what is a "basic" unit. You seem to specifically exclude all named characters given as example for some reason, so let's avoid those examples. Excluding "elites" units seems ill defined and arbitrary to me, but fine, let's go with that... Do Druze's Brawlers & Druze Shock Teams links qualify? because those guys can have a Brawler doctor and they seem rather "basic" for that particular faction to me. Not a whole lot of options once we exclude everything not AVA:Total in someway from the talks tho. Any argumentation opposing the idea purely from a "they would be the first!"/"it's never been done before!" stand point is flawed anyway: if we followed that line of thoughts to it's logical conclusion we couldn't have anything new ever. And that's not something we want, right? If you want to argue that it shouldn't be done for game balance or to preserve the uniqueness of Haqq you would at least have some solid ground to build your argument upon, tho I feel it would still be shaky: being able to include a WIP13 Doctor instead of a mere Paramedic in a link, while advantageous, would be at most a case for economy of actions for the sake of moving the doc alongside the link team... A link, which until confirmed otherwise, would be constituted of... Basic Infantry (Cheerleaders, mostly.) which would be the primary beneficiaries of the presence of a doctor... Not sure I would even spend an action to try and save their lives anyway. If Veteran Kazaks are confirmed to link with line Kazaks then that's another matter entirely, but we don't know that quite yet. Even then I don't think this would scream "imbalance" in anyway. Haqq on the other hand get to field far superior doctors in their link, so even if every last factions did get access to doctors in their basic troops links they would still maintain their primacy. So I don't feel like this reason is worth talking about any further. From a purely "fluff" stand point it would be pretty easy to argue that factions without wide access to cubes would be more inclined to provide their soldiery with more medical support as casualties would be more crippling for those nations in the long term: they can't just resurrect them later on after all. As for why the others nations of Dawn (or even others) do not provide such support, well they really should. Their failure to provide adequate medical support to their soldiers reflect rather poorly upon their leaders' ethics and raise the question as to why the soldiers should fight to support the political agenda of leaders who callously send them to their death as worthless cannon fodder... I think it's rather sad how little care some factions show for their troops in infinity... "No big deal if he dies, just rez him!" ought to be rather... traumatic for the citizenry as a whole... That was rather wordy and I'm not sure how well I got my points across at this time. If I offended you, I apologize, this isn't my intention, but I felt the need to state that I, along with others, strongly disagree with the arguments you have advanced previously. P.S.: Hi all. Finally went and took the plunge with Coldfront. Waiting for my stuff to get home in the next few weeks... So that I can work on converting my friends...
Kazak Doc is AVA 1. He might have AVA 2 in TAK. So the best case scenario - including him being able to link with both Line and Vet Kazaks - would allow to link WIP 13 doc with two links, one Core and one Haris. As DKZephyris noted, it's not exactly encroaching on Haqq medical prowess. To say the least.
Ariadna is the only faction that can't give a little robot to his doctors to do their job while they stay safe. It's not the end of the world if they give us the oportunity to have a real doctor working with the link. It's not the end of the world if they don't.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the Kazak Doktor profile disappeared entirely in exchange for a Line Kazak Doctor, possibly with some form of TAK exclusivity/Vanilla SWC tax.
The reasoning could be that Ariadna has no access to servant bots and cubes. So giving the doctor a boost would make him more useful. The idea would not necessarily be to move the link team in order to heal a non-linked trooper, but to heal a fireteam member. I think it would be ok to have this option, but only if the other Ariadna sectorials get the same. I don't expect this to happen, btw.
Tbh, I'd be fine with the TAK doctor not being linkable. While it'd be undeniably nice for a Core link to be able to lug a doctor around (especially if it's a mixed Core link with the Doctor bringing down the overall cost of the link), what I think we'll see more likely is AVA 3 on the Kazak Doctor, same as the AVA 3 of the 112 in Merovingienne. In this way, TAK still has your Doctor board coverage without remotes.
After all you need to consider that TAK (Ariadna) lacks cubes so their doctor cant use Command Tokens to reroll failed Doctor rolls. Thats a huge diference and due that you should not realy compare linkability of kazak doctor with linkability of other doctors. In the end the kazak doctor is far likely to kill his mate than a traumadoc if you are willing to spend atleast one Command token for reroll
Exactly. One of the reason I'm completely not fazed by WIP 12 on my Trauma Docs and Machinists. In practice they have very good results.
Agree, lack cube and servant make doc linkable not so much great thing, but can make secto more attractive than ariadna vanilla which is far stronger. Only linkable with line kazak to limitate the choice. Frontovnik are already really powerfull and usefull.
I think the only real reason to have the Vet Kazak linkable is so the profile gets used. Otherwise just go with a paramedic and do not bother with a doctor.
It's not like it's unheard of, Haqq has linked doctor gulams, Brawler and Kaplan doctors can link, and Starco can put a Daktari in a Brigada link, and that's just an Alguacil with a degree Personally I don't really care one way or another, 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't even bother
Honestly, I view the lack of effective Doctoring infrastructure as a very deliberate and (in many ways) key part of balancing Ariadna. Given the natural competitive strength of Ariadna's innate playstyle (camo, infiltrators, cheap troops,) I dont think Ariadna should have any kind of advantage as far as bringing their soldiers back to life. This is one of the few aspects where Ariadna's "technological disadvantage" actually has meaningful in-game effect. We're already seeing these defining faction characteristics start to get bent and broken... The lowest-tech faction is now the best, most order-efficient in the game for detecting and hunting hidden threats. If we're looking for lore justification, break it down this way: Ariadna can't afford to send valuable trained medical personnel racing off into the woods embedded in a fireteam... That's 100% the role that Paramedics are meant to serve. Fully qualified MDs require years of education, and are probably in high demand in a low population, limited resource, high-casualty environment like Ariadna.
Agree with you, but I still want USARF doctor + character with wip15 and no weapons called Hawkeye Pierce. Laika Dog-Girl Now
This is fair both from a game and lore perspective, however let me posit a riposte. my suggestion is that the Kazak Doctor will be able to form a link with the Line Kazaks and that he be non-linkable with any other sort of team (namely vet kazaks but also whatever the hell the MI are called). now would this increase order efficiency and better protect the doctor? yes it would however a basic line infantry link while a capable tool is also fragile and fairly easily broken meaning this protection can be fairly easily removed. there is also the average WIP and inability to re-roll failed resuscitation's does not guarantee that the target will get back up unlike most other units worth trying to rez (because unless truly desperate no one is going to do that to Keisotsu, and Jannisaries are an outlier). possibly making that excursion a waste of orders and putting them out of position. Now why would the Kazaks get this instead of the rest of Ariadna (even my beloved FRRM) simple, their society is the second most militarized in the game, only the Morats place greater emphasis on military service. and since we already know that the Kazaks are willing to send well trained medical professionals out on these types of operations, why wouldn't you want them trained to work as a group so that they're better protected and better able to get them to where they need to be in a crisis rather than hanging back hoping someone goes down within easy reach.
I'm not sure I'd want him in a Vet Kazak link anyway, 35% chance to kill the trooper already in NWI is not odds I like.
Linked doctors are pretty common. PanO has two, Nomads have one, Aleph has a couple, StarCo has three, Druze and Ikari have one... Kazak Doctors being linkable... eh as long as its not a camo narker I'm happy when playing that god damn faction you know?
