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Varuna speculation

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Wombat85, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. Mikes

    Mikes Well-Known Member

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    Gotta be careful you dont blow the stack.
     
  2. derbrizon

    derbrizon Well-Known Member

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    Lol my understanding is that resurrection are rare and enormously expensive. And cubes aren't always recoverable.
     
  3. CabalTrainee

    CabalTrainee Well-Known Member

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    Why would you send highly trained Varuna forces to save a VIP if the person wasn't super rich? If you can't afford the res you probably aren't important enough to be taken into consideration.
     
  4. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Real life analogies aside, it'd be simply interesting to see a force with a bit different capabilities and access to larger array of non-lethal options. Well, I can at least hope we'll still see an ADHL or Stun Grenades somewhere ;)
     
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  5. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache

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    I think another light TAG seems much more likely, that way all* PanO sectorials have a heavy and a light TAG available.

    *note: I don't count MO as they're more of a NA2 sectorial honestly, just from the time NA2 did not exist. The whole vatican shtick feels grafted on completely. Besides, they got a medium TAG (full size, not as much armour or firepower).
     
  6. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    they are also the HI focused Sec, and therefore get their armour elsewhere in the list
     
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  7. Make PanO Great Again :P

    Make PanO Great Again :P Varuna, with the deadliest reptiles in the sphere

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    Libertos are not the PLO or the IRA, they wont live inside the normal population, wont take hostages for ransom or go incognito into a stadium to blow up. We are talking of a Helot population that lives separated, not being same spices with their victims to take empathy from and not wanting to do the extra work to get there either, that get crazed and violent in low pressure ambiances when they come to the surface.
    Think of VIID less police raid and more Xcom terror mission, when you have to move fast and get every enemy before they do more damage, no negotiation, no surrenders, just neutralize everyone as fast as you can.
    Then there is the search and destroy of encampments or surveillance, but this targets get crazy close to the surface, so are isolated targets, far away from the populus, or else it turns fast into an attack.
     
  8. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Been racking my brain for a while how to accurately depict the rules for Helots without or a damaged pressure suit.
    Thing is we actually saw a dossier for a "naked" Helot, so we might see two troop entries for them in Varuna.

    To accurately depict their fluff in rules it would be necessary to introduce a new Fury characteristic. Helots should have A different version of Frenzy, one that triggers on taking hits that cause Wounds but are saved by ARM/BTS to simulate the damage their suit takes.
    Makes them cheaper and turns off their potential Camo, pretty sure that would make for a very interesting and effective troop, imagine an reverse Igao.

    Alternatively the more accurate version of this thought could have a Fractaa/Symbioarmour/lotech style second Profile with Impetuous.
    The problem with that is the effective 2nd wound which would be madness.
     
  9. Make PanO Great Again :P

    Make PanO Great Again :P Varuna, with the deadliest reptiles in the sphere

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    The naked picture has no weapons, maybe 2 diferent units, a sk and a wb, with and without suit
     
  10. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    I'd be very surprised if we saw a profile sans suit. Don't they need the suit to survive the lower pressures at the surface?

    I'm willing to bet that the slide without suit was just a visual representation of what they look like. Just art.
     
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  11. Make PanO Great Again :P

    Make PanO Great Again :P Varuna, with the deadliest reptiles in the sphere

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    They dont die, just get violent and strong, adrenaline pump kind of thing
     
  12. Make PanO Great Again :P

    Make PanO Great Again :P Varuna, with the deadliest reptiles in the sphere

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    @MrNailbrain

    PRESSURE PERSONALITIES The extreme changes in biochemistry and anatomy that Helots experience in response to variations in pressure also manifest in their behaviour. In general, the closer to the surface a Helot comes, the more aggressive, hot-tempered, and impulsive they become. And the deeper into the ocean they go, the more placid, calm, and thoughtful they become. Helots, of course, don’t see anything odd about this—they view the individual as the totality of their personalities at all depths. PanOceanian settlers, on the other hand, often find it difficult to understand and interact with the Helots. One thing the PanOceanians immediately noted was that the Helots are awful workers at any depth: In the deeps they are lazy. On the surface they lack focus. Once the source of “Helot schizophrenia” was identified, however, PanOceanian scientists created pressure suits that would stabilize their personalities. This had the immense benefit of turning them into industrious workers at any depth, creating a sizable labour force for the colonisation effort. Unsurprisingly, however, these pressure suits have proven controversial. Many of the Helot who choose to wear them speak highly of them, claiming that they grant a clarity of thought that they seemed to lack at any depth. Their critics, however, claim that these Helots have been blinded by their oppressors. The Libertos terrorist group, in particular, has made a point of targeting the suits, which are stolen in large numbers, smashed to pieces, and then piled up like blocks in a pyramid in public places.

    THE WILD ONES Not all Helots follow the normal life cycle of their kind. The tete-kulu—often translated as “the Wild Ones”, but which is more literally “the three-touched”—are notably unruly. They insist on remaining in surface areas even as their aggressive tendencies accelerate out of control, and their biochemistry is slow to readjust when they journey deeper into the ocean. What humans have not yet realised—and which only a few of the kossomn and pod-legacies remember in mythologised oral histories—is that the tete-kulu are the result of genetic experimentation by the Tohaa, who came to Varuna long before humanity did and—in an effort to create expendable cannon fodder for their war against the EI—attempted to heighten the aggressive tendencies of the species. When the Tohaa were done, they added the most successful subjects to their armies, and then abandoned their Oomnya colony (which they had named after the Omn, aka the Helots).
     
  13. MrNailbrain

    MrNailbrain Relentless Optimist

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    bona Well-Known Member

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    Could you create a 3 Orc core team and sub out the Harris Orc for a more versatile one, like the tinbot?


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  15. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    ORCs can't Core in SAA
     
  16. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    I remember when we first found out about the Tohaa and Antipodes with Paradiso...people told me I was nuts thinking that the Helots might have been subject to the same tampering from the Tohaa.

    WHO'S CRAZY NOW!
     
  17. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Hm... questions and questions.

    <looks at one particular dogma of one of the largest religions on Earth>
    No, comletly no Tohaa involvement ....
     
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  18. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    We see the pressure suits in the concept art, but I wonder if they'll have any in-game benefit. When we first saw this lore, the logical guess was a dual profile like symbiont/battle damaged. With the suit intact, the Helot was easier to control by the player, could benefit from cover, etc. but would potentially gain Berserk or other aggressive capabilities once the suit was compromised.

    Given those finesse-oriented weapons, as well as camo, this idea seems debunked. I'm not complaining, because standard Camo is a pretty big deal, but I'm curious if the suits will be represented at all with in-game ability.
     
  19. nehemiah

    nehemiah Well-Known Member

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    It would be interesting if their pressure suits were something like the old Exrah rule, so they do not have an unconscious state, because once their suit gets cracked they start to asphyxiate.
     
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  20. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    That's a nice thought, especially if it has an accompanying point discount. It would help carve out a niche for Helots as being very cheap for their role, with or without a Irregular point discount.
     
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