I guess your meta doesn't see any camo pieces on ARO duty then ;) or you aren't able to force camo markers down a certain route (without clearing out mines/dropbears) which has a nice long fireline to it. Sorry, but i'm handwaving meta differences here... :P since I definitely do face camo aro pieces
Generally, no. ARO pieces tend to be linked, TO Camo Hidden Deployment, or have something else. Camo is considered unsuitable precisely because modifiers aren't the best and there is plenty of even MSV1 with high burst weapons. If you're facing them, then eliminating them shouldn't be a problem even with Spitfire Deva or HMG Nisse. No point in bringing Aquila just for those.
You were never surprised by Tankhunter ML or Scots Guard ML ? It seems silly good to deploy 5+ Ambush camo and single true ARO piece (Tankhunter Autocannon, or simple ML) waiting for your opponent link/TAGs to venture (stupidly) into open terrain due to him thinking ALL camo markers standing are moot Ambush Camo.
Irrelevant or not, you alrready have a mistake. Spoiler: MVS3 MULTISPECTRAL VISOR LEVEL 3 MULTISPECTRAL VISOR LEVEL 3 AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT Obligatory. REQUIREMENTS EFFECTS The user of this piece of Equipment automatically passes all WIP Rolls to Discover an enemy with any level of the Special Skill Camouflage and Hiding (CH). When engaged in CC Combat against an enemy with the Special Skill Camouflage and Hiding (CH), the user of a Multispectral Visor L3 ignores the -6 MOD to his Roll imposed by the Special Skill Surprise Attack. When fired upon by an enemy in LoF with the Special Skill Camouflage and Hiding (CH), the user of a Multispectral Visor L3 ignores the -3 MOD to his Roll imposed by the Special Skill Surprise Shot. Spoiler: Discover+shoot SPECIAL entire order. Special Maneuver: Discover + BS Attack The combination of Discover + BS Attack in a single Order is a special maneuver that allows the trooper to make a Discover attempt and then a BS Attack against the same enemy, but only if the Discover attempt is successful. The game sequence for this special maneuver is: The Active Player declares Discover against an enemy as the first Short Skill of his Order. His opponent declares AROs normally. If the target declares an ARO that would reveal it, then the Active Player may declare BS Attack as the second Short Skill of his Order, ignoring the now redundant Discover Roll. If the target did not reveal itself, then the Active Player may still declare a BS Attack. However, he must make his Discover Roll, and only if it is successful may he roll his BS Attack. If the Active Player fails that Discover Roll, the declared BS Attack is canceled and null. http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Discover For that all mvs3 are a big deal to do this. Now, thing about Asura on SSO if she can go with fireteam bonus ofr an example. If she are very expensive that other profiles on vanilla and characters, just wait for her upgrade on SSO options, more cheap or more expensive, id said this only little sutff from mvs3, plus the other sinergies she can do with all profiles have with friendly CAMO markers using as a barrier, to spend some entire orders doing this free discovers+shooting, plus if she can go with team bonus, we don't know for now but maybe we can expect that options for her, totally nasty...
Sorry, where's the mistake? You declare Discover, opponent AROs, you declare shoot, opponent dies... That's two short skills because you don't HAVE to declare shoot as the second order, you could declare dodge or something else instead. Discover and shoot is a special case because normally you can't target a camo marker. You don't have to declare (Discover and) BS before the camo marker has a chance to ARO.
While I've seen some of these, it is extremely rare. Tankhunter ML and Lunah I've never seen. Intruders are almost exlusively HMG. And in any case, almost always (especially by the better players) these are used as active turn pieces or they are positioned to stand only much later in the game. Frankly, I've never had to Autodiscover any of them. Most of my Autodiscovers were mines, occasional Ambush camo, and when I engaged Camo markers at (fairly) close range. Actually the most useful Autodiscover target is late game re-camoed TO camo trooper. But I use Autodiscover once in every 5 games I bring MSV3, and honestly, if I did not have it, I would not miss it much.
With mvs3, you discovers for free. Using that special order rule you have 100% discover yes or yes if the enemy camo marker dosen't uses any ARO to reveal himself.
It's still not an Entire Order Skill, it's just an exception that allows you to declare BS Attack against a Camo marker. And this is why people are saying that it's a local meta issue, because in some metas those are standard ARO pieces. Cateran T2 Snipers would be another one.
On the Caterans specifically, they're usually saved for Surprise Shot and then left out as Mimetism AROs. Saw this use in 3 different metas. Anyway, maybe I am wrong. But so far, Autodiscover meant little to me, and I play Asura quite a bit.
This is going to sound a bit whiney : As stated previously, my hype has died down, and I feel really underwhelmed by most of what we've been shown. Part of me still feels we might be shown additional profiles, fireteam options, point cost reworks. But what if we don't get more interesting profiles than what we've seen so far ? what if the Asura stays overcosted ? what if the dancers just go prone somwhere and do nothing else ? It's starting to make me feel a bit anxious about Corvus Belli not being completely open about what we are buying. Am I really going to pre-order the big package without knowing the fire-team options ? Should I get another Asura while the last rework we see depresses me even more about the unit ? Today I can't say for sure I would not look at Vedic and think "meh, I'm just gonna play vedic units in Vanilla today"
That part we agree on. 95% of the time I declare a Discover and it is a trooper, my opponent declares an ARO because he doesn't want to give away an unopposed shot. MSV3 is damn expensive if you already can Disvover + shoot most things on 12-18 anyway with an Asura. It's a glorified MSV2 on a superior platform that should offset the extra cost. The problem with that is the competition in Aleph/PanO/CA has TO Camo/ODD+Frenzy which outscales MSV3 easily.
Said in the other thread as well... assuming you are talking about the ALEPH vs ARIADNA box, You have been shown the full profiles for all new units involved for those FACTIONS. You have been informed completely about what you are buying. (And i'm completely discounting the november rework, because I'm certain that that is going to be a lot smaller than people are posting) As to how it affects vedic. Vedic doesn't exist yet. It's like looking at the rediveil box and asking whether Haqq is worth it because you don't know what ramah task force will look like. Also, what are you missing if you delay the purchase? Maybe a wardriver? is that worth it to you?
I‘m agreeing with 95% of what you are saying, but I‘m pretty certain that this box was in fact advertised as TAK vs Vedic. @Renfri : if you are not going to get the box solely on having nice Dakinis and Line Kazaks (I‘ve been waiting way too long for those...), maybe don’t preorder. You only loose out on the Wardriver and you can decide later how much you are willing to spend for a Yadu and Shukra once the full rules are out.
@ZlaKhon Actually, that is what I intend to do. I am not interested in the Wardriver. I'll order DART and leave it at that. Coldfront is available at my online retailer (cheaper + fidelity program + no shipping) to grab later if I want to. The Asura (if I somehow were to need a 2nd one) will be blistered later I believe.
It's unhelpfully mixed messages. Partly because it was intended to be released at the same time, and possibly left in for future proofing for people watching the videos in 6+ months time. What is said in the video is that these are ALEPH vs ARIADNA, but the images say TAK and Vedic. Very much miscommunication.
I think if the Asura can link with lower point models in some way she will have a place. If she cannot...then I would specifically have to make a list to run her. She would not be something I could "drop in for fun".
I agree that if the Asura can make it way into a core or haris somehow, that will definitely boost its potential. I disagree with the people stating that MSV3 is worth the 7-9pts it adds on to MSV2, though. Functionally speaking, the autodiscover is kind of useless. You'll almost never get to use it, as maneuvering into the field of fire of a camo marker means that they will pretty much always choose to shoot you as their ARO, so your ability to autodiscover means dick all. You'll never really get to use it in ARO either, because doing so gives the provoking model the chance to shoot you down unopposed. I'd almost say that getting any use out of it requires a severe tactical error on the part of your opponent, but either way, it's an incredibly niche ability for something that costs at least 7pts. As I said in the other thread, I feel like it's still being priced according to its N2 value, when you could just shoot camo markers, but it doesn't do that anymore. Anyway, on the whole, I don't feel like the rest of what we've been shown of the OSS is disappointing. Yadu are versatile and strong, Shakti is beastly, and I'll be interested in seeing what the Rudras has access to. Assuming it has some heavier metal available than the MULTI shown, it could be pretty damn scary with stuff like Assisted Fire and whatever the Apsara offers.
