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How to fix Pano

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by Zsolt, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. Benkei

    Benkei Well-Known Member

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    Excuse me?
     
  2. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Fair or not, it has always been open knowledge that PanO will have the most sectorials. You can line or not, you can get upset or not, that’s the way it is.
     
  3. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Which is ok (and is actually a perfectly good argument for padding these sectorials with Aleph troops, so vanilla PanO wouldn't get too big). What I'm questioning is the order in which new sectorials are released. IA should take the place of TJC, at the latest. At least it looks like it's finally coming in January, with a shitload of new HIs, so that's six months' wait.
     
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  4. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Some necromancy here:
    So what? Executive order is more fluff than anything else, Inspiring leadership would maybe a bit too much with 6pts Morlocks, CoC is nice to have, but you can just put your 9pts LT cheerleader on top of a rooftop and call it a day, and advanced command isn't really a game changer.

    But have loads of regular camo, which are cheaper and not much worse. "Not cheaper than a Ninja" is a weird benchmark.

    That happens to come with Camo and with cheap and abundant access to smoke, both impetuous and non-impetuous.

    So? That's not really the most OP skill. Nomads have all the other fun, fancy skill, maybe they can miss on this one.

    I'd be more excited to have that on Fusiliers. Orcs need some useful specialists to bring along in your Duo/Haris/Whatever.
     
  5. Death

    Death Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I'd say Orcs (with their wip 12) are better off without any specialists. Let them be a pure combat Haris. You got better specialists to use in any of the sectorials.
     
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  6. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, according to fluff, all our TAGs should come with Sixth sense level2, MSV2-3 and Sensor.
     
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  7. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    *some level of usefulness (sorry, no strike out here)
     
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  8. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Can we please have less personal attacks in this thread? or less aggressive "friendly jabbing"
     
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  9. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    From another thread:

    This might mean some of the problems we're seeing getting fixed. We'll see.
     
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  10. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    I think we can all agree that IA shoulda been after JSA for the players.
    But from a bussiness standpoint its likely they are hoping to double dip, get the players to buy into JSA, then give them time to recover and buy into IA
     
  11. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    if its as little as adjusting prices so everything is consistent with what has obviously changed id still be happy
     
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  12. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Why would you do that? "Uh oh, stray bullet, terrorist dude is dead instead of stunned. Whoopsie. Looks like we can't listen to his batshit crazy bullshit"

    Yes, and most of our troops are like that. Something with better BS and some BS MODS. Bulleteer is not one of the best REMs ever, because it's interesting, it's a basic BS12 dude, which is a REM, so you can strap on a +3BS from ignore cover and a -6BS for the enemy due to ODD. And comes with MOV 6-4 and repeater which is nice (and S4 and -3 dodge which is unnice). Anyone noticed, that combat REMs that are not made from cardboards will be Aleph's thing?

    That, or bloat, which do nothing, just make stuff more expensive. Like all our characters, Bolts, etc.

    The combi + LS will be actually interesting on the new AD, with the Akal it's not an easy choice between combi and BS. Now you can have both. Still will be expensive, +4 pts on top of combi, so like 4pts more it's worth, but it's a meaningful loadout. I'd still like to see that price reduced to combi or combi + 1.

    I don't really see it as game breaking. There's a small chance for a tie (didn't calculate though), and -3MOD due to camo everywhere + -3MOD due to surprise shot seems a lot better than +1BS even then.
     
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  13. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Extreme caution is advised.

    Also our salt mines should be empty as all the salt should go to salt this information and hopes.
     
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  14. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Bulleter is S4.
     
  15. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    fixed!
     
  16. SKOZZOKONZ

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    Since I started playing this has become my biggest gripe with the game, sharpened by the way yj were treated in order to sell the jsas little foray of independence.
     
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  17. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

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    Well, as a boost to MO (and an attempt to make other knights viable-ish):

    Esquires

    Regular, no-cube, Frenzy
    MOV 4-4, CC 15, BS 12, PH 10, WIP 12, ARM 2, BTS 0, W 1, S 2, AVA 2
    Religious, Mechanised Deployment/MA1/Berserk/360 visor, Fireteam:Haris

    Esquire - Light Shotgun, Pistol, Knife
    Esquire Engineer - Light Shotgun, D-charges, Pistol, Knife
    Esquire Hacker (Hacking Device) - Light Shotgun, Pistol, Knife

    Special Fireteam: Haris - Must be deployed in a fireteam Haris with a knight of the chosen order or a Father Knight at the start of the game.

    With the frenzy discount, looking to be around 11 points for basic Esquire, 15 for engineer, 19 for hacker.
    AVA 0 in vanilla, MO only.
     
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  18. Judge Dredd

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    I think it’s far more likely to be points adjustments than reworks but we shall see.
     
  19. Teslarod

    Teslarod when in doubt, Yeet

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    Yeah that and a few extra loadouts here and there for Sectorials, They really seem to like doing that ever since Druze.
    Saito Specialist Operative, Ninja FO, Spectr KHD.... I'd bet Vedic and TAK also have them and every Sectorial might get a few.
     
  20. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    They were said to be done in the spirit of the Raicho tweak, so I'd still expect some minor changes. And let's be honest, sometimes it's all that is needed.
     
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