Move the building 5mm away from the edge. It's unambiguous then. Usually it tends to be ambiguous. But most people I know play that you can only walk on the roof of a building if it crosses the edge of the table. Mostly buildings are deployed so that the edge of the wall touches the edge of the table, which means that if you're on the roof you're not in B2B with the table edge if the building has a parapet. You can resolve this by a discussion at the start of the game. You should absolutely have this conversation irrespective of whether or not you have AD in your list. ;)
It happened the same thing to me with my can-opener when Kitsune was still YJ. We solved this situation by placing the figure "as close as possible " of the troop obstructing my HD but actually not considered engaged. In my case the exact position did not matter because no other troops could have visibility. After that if the two troops bases Don't fit on the ground (top of a watchtower,,,) I vote for the rules of: I was there first and I push you (applying the rules of the falls if any)
That's how I've always played it, granted the only situation I've ever run into where this was an issue involved a Sphinx. Potentially you could have to displace that unit a long way from where it was deployed in order to meet the "as close as possible" criteria.
A big problem i have with the statement of (cannot deploy) would be there is an instance where the model MUST deploy and so the rules have to explain how that occurs. If a model is overlapping and then a sensor occurs, what happens? That is i prefer to put the HD model closest to designated point as possible.
Yes me too but, that being said, Who place the revealed troupe in this case? the player who owns it or the player who reveal it. In a normal case there's no question about this, but if the initial position move then that can create signifiant changes (LOF, mines, perimetral weapons,...). What I mean, is that this exceptional situation must not able to escape a danger that the troop in question would have suffered on its original deployment...
Guys, have you seen the linked topic from the old forum? Did you see the green tick near the "place close as possible" answer? Do you know that only CB was allowed to flag the answers that way? That is the way to play it, maybe it will be in the new (soon to be published) FAQs
Yeah, but where does it get placed upon reveal? The rules don't say, and small increments of distance can matter a lot in Infinity. The rules just don't say, and CB has had years to answer this question in an official capacity.
If I was in the side with the HD model I'd let my opponent place my mini. In the same way I let them choose the pathing of impetuous troops when there are two possible paths, etc. I think it's the most fair way to handle it.
It's impossible to have an exact position of a Hidden Deployment model, since your position is described with words on a paper, not with a model placed on the table. I'd also like to note that you should probably place the HD model complying to your notes as strictly as possible as the primary measurement for moving it as short a distance as possible - if it says in your notes it's hugging a wall you should probably keep it hugging that wall even if the actual distance is further away.
Though the answer is found in the old forum and marked as solved (http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/31718-solved-hidden-deployment-model-overlap/), it's inclusion in in a newly update FAQ would be much appreciated.
I insist on exact positioning. They either need a photo or coordinates. Too much room for chicanery otherwise.
Nah, I think someone can unambiguously identify the position of a model with writing. Just use x and y coordinates.
You have seen the discussions about what constitutes a "single point" on the table when AROing or coordinating multiple Drop Bears, right?
I can see the case for both. Photos are good for exact positioning but your opponent knows there is a TO trooper present on the table when you ask them to walk away. I sketch relevant pieces of terrain on the paper in addition to the trooper location and I think that works fine.
Although this is a secret information I have never been fooled by the presence of an HD. Most of the time my opponent asks me to move away a little and the rest of the time I saw them scribble something by looking at the field conscientiously... not be a genius to understand what they are doing (which I systematically ask for Put some pressure on). It does not prevent falling into the trap but we know that there is one. I have never played against someone who draws something just to make me believe that he has an HD... (nor take a picture just to pretend) Usually I also use the photo. It's exact and it's fast (and no need for paper and pen)
Yea in most scenarios you can't practically (from a meta standpoint) fool your opponent into thinking you have or don't have HD, which is unfortunate but it's one of the limitations of the game. O wells.
