Yu Jing: Why have you fucked us over? O-12: You fucked yourself over by mishandling the whole Japanese situation, and covering it up for years, and let yourself become the whipping boy for everyone because you couldn't handle that shit. We aren't going to stick our necks out for you, but you'll still play ball, because you know that if you kick off about this things will be even worse for you. Yu Jing: Shit
That's obviously not the case considering they emphatically took a pro-Japanese side. And you're talking about "that's just how politics works"... doing what O-12 and PanO did should have been an invitation for Yu Jing to retaliate with the utmost force. But apparently that didn't happen, so the rules are out the window...
To be more accurate: Yu Jing: Hold up a sec, we bailed the Japanese out of financial collapse and now they want to renege on that obligation. You say you won't stick your necks out for us, but you'll stick your neck out for them as well as rubber-stamp attacks on us? And you don't care that their Emperor is publicly giving support to terrorism against us? O-12: No, we don't care. You are to develop lands and resources, and they are to be taken and given to more worthy nations and peoples. Japanese lives are worth more than yours, that's why their terrorism is laudable and military actions by you to defend yourself are treated as war crimes. We don't care how many Yuchino untermenschen have to killed and used as mulch to help everyone else's gardens grow. Yu Jing (dejectedly): ...okay...
When in our recent history has powers messing with other powers internal affairs led to all out war? Never because it's a stupid move. Regardless of how much youre getting political egg on your face. Entering full scale conflict with a nation of similar strength to you doesnt end well. Particularly when there are other nations to take sides or pick up the scraps to their liking. This isn't 40k.
What nation in recent history has done what PanO did to Yu Jing to another nation of similar geopolitical status?
Here’s more goalpost shifting from Uprising apologists. O-12 is the supreme Mary-Sue power in the Human Sphere and can act as they please without restraint, according to the Uprising era fluff and @psychoticstorm’s impassioned justifications, until it’s convenient for some posters for them to be impotent to stop, and to in fact rubber stamp, flagrant acts of war against Yu Jing whilst being simultaneously too powerful for Yu Jing to ignore or to retaliate. This line of justification is as convoluted as a Klein bottle. Kudos, @Solar & @A Mão Esquerda, you’ve proven the Uprising skeptics’ argument.
You mean like several of the conflicts during the cold-war? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War Prussia's involvement in the Boer war. The American-Spanish "War" in cuba and phillipines. There are several examples where nations ignored the involvement of other powers as the alternative was to engage in total/general war with no real advantage other than "national honour". When you read fictional power fantasies however, nations engage in war all the time. Because its glorious and amazing or something.
Jeez, dude, I think you might want to step away from this a bit. You're getting kind of heavy into it.
There was never a cover up. Yu Jing doesn't do cover ups. That's a PanO thing. Can't handle that shit = idiot ball (lots of things don't make sense with how YJ didn't see any of this coming or handled some situations) Haqq and Nomad involvement doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. Siding with PanO is really the last thing they really want to do with kneecapping YJ. Cause without a strong Yu Jing to check PanO Haqq and the Nomads are at its mercy. They're powerful when they team up but PanO is a beast that is much bigger and meaner then them. There's no strong YJ to back them up either. Sounds like the whole sphere got hit with the idiot ball expect PanO cause the boys in blue don't ever get in trouble or do something stupid. Let's blow up a Mothership and see how the Nomad players respond...
Again this is wholly based on the assumption that the uprising somehow significantly weakened yu jing. The lore effects of the uprising are completely separate from the players perceptions of the the in-game effects. Although both are debatably minor in the overall effect to the "how powerzful are dere armiez luls" scale.
It doesn't need to be all militarily. Politically works just as well and that was were most of the damage was dealt. YJ military is fine. How stuff gets done in the sphere at the moment is through politics and black ops. YJ probably isn't going to help to either Haqq or the Nomads if PanO starts stepping on their toes. One wonders if CA took advantage of any infighting on Paradiso... the EI is to smart not to. Lets say Corregidor bights the bullet. If I wanted to truly mean I'd say Tunguska :P
Corregidor would be much harsher, Interventors don't even work against all enemies... But it would mean my main faction got updated early for moving to NA!
Motherships are cool, not sure most Nomads live on them though, definitely most of the military (except the really heavy gear) works as mercenaries (again we really thank the entire human sphere for paying, housing and giving experience to our combat troops) and most Nomads seem to live on space stations, caravansary, delegations and spaceships doing the trade and space construction/ work that puts the food on the table, definitely a big blow but not something one could not recover, making a new mothership would set Nomads back quite a bit probably a few years, but the ones paying the worse price would be virtually everybody else, all the specially trained exo workers would be constructing a new mothership and mining material for a new mothership, that would impact all other nations reliant on Nomad skilled exo workers more than it would impact Nomads. I think though that outside Corregidor whose assets are the most dispersed the other two ships have too many interests from the big powers tied to them for something to happen to them, I have to point out though that for an "all out war" PanO was pretty happy to allow Yu Jing ground forces to evacuate Japan and not force a massacre of a significant military formation of Yu Jing something that would grant them a significant military advantage on Earth for a long time, even though the Japanese heavily protested and felt betrayed by PanO allowing Yu Jing to retreat and salvage most of their army who is stationed right next to Japan. Iron wall seems to be really restrained in operations by PanO.
Go for it. Most of us understand this is only a game, not reality. Our mandollies' worlds do not affect us any more than the destruction of alderaan did.
There would be a lot of historical value lost on Corregidor. Plus the Mexican and African populations that are a holdover from the origins of Corregidor (that make up the Jaguars, Moran and Bandits) might be largely lost. Unlike Bakunin and Tunguska that have decentralized cultures I think there is a lot of naturally developed culture on Corregidor that could be lost without the historical ship.
Like with Uprising you'd get those that would feel more passionate about it and others who couldn't give a shit (like yourself). I dont care about Uprising and JSA leaving. I'm more curious about a few decisions that were made a long the way.
There’s a huge difference between your examples of powers being in conflict in a third nation and the reality of the Uprising fluff where PanO attacks within the YJ national borders.
