Target less is not a required ability. What happens if I shoot my pitcher at an enemy? Where does the repeater end up?
You can't shoot the Pitcher at an enemy trooper: 'A successful BS Roll allows players to place a Deployable Repeater Marker (REPEATER) at the point of impact.'
I believe you but I don't understand why. It is a weapon. It can target enemies. And the enemy model is the point of impact.
How can the trooper be the point of impact? EDIT - for something that you have to physically place on the table.
How can the trooper be the point of impact for something that you have to physically place on the table? You can do it with Smoke Grenades because they are template weapons, but Pitchers and thrown Drop Bears have to use the Targetless trait to be able to place the Repeater/Drop Bear.
Why though? Why MUST they use that optional trait? What rule give template weapons permission to hit enemy troopers that isn't given to drop bears and pitchers? Again. I believe you but I want to understand. Please don't take my insistence as arrogance. If a pitcher can have the ground be a point of impact then it uses the rules for point of impact. If it is a weapon it can be fired at the enemy. If you fire a point of impact using ammo at the enemy then the closest part of the enemy to the firer is the point of impact?
To copy stuff here as well as the FB discussion, Deployable Repeaters are figures (in Infinity terms) with a Silhouette value. So they can't coexist in the same space as an enemy trooper. You can't pick the enemy trooper as the point of impact and then place the Repeater next to the enemy trooper because you're not placing the Repeater 'at the point of impact'. So there's no way to target the enemy trooper and still fulfil the rules for the Pitcher.
By extension, then, it would be fine to target the enemy trooper if you do place the Repeater exactly there, for instance if the enemy trooper moved (if he declare a Move+something and you ARO Pitcher targeting him at a point different than his final position). Possibly, depending on timing, you could also target the enemy and place the repeater exactly there if the enemy died (removed from board) or moved (dodged or guts).
For the first one, why would you choose the enemy trooper as the point of impact? For the second, it would be happening at the same time as the ARM/BTS Rolls, so I can't see any way for it to happen.
Is that a serious question? I can't tell any more. Apart from basic sanity, http://infinitythewiki.com/en/General_Movement_Rules and look at the first blue box.
I can imagine an attempt of FtF roll using the pitcher instead of the combi/spitfire... so the idea is not really to wound the attacking model but to set up a repeater next to it for hacking purposes in future activations. For example, a Moderator/Tsyklon AROing a Unidron with the Pitcher to plant a repeater, so the next time the Unidron activates (or any enemy hackable troop in that area... like a TAG, more Unidrons, etc...) hacking AROs from several Nomad hackers rain like the wrath of god :S As for the legality of the maneuver... doubtful.
Eso no seria una tirada enfrentada ya que el pitcher no afecta de ninguna manera a la otra tropa en esa tirada
English thread, Sibelius... :p El tema es que el OP está diciendo que como "sin Objetivo" es una propiedad opcional, podría no aplicarla, escogiendo en ese caso una tropa enemiga... lo que lo hace una tirada enfrentada, como programa de hackeo Vs disparos de combi. En imágen sería como el típico que dispara el garfio de escalada desde su rifle contra un enemigo, lo que pasa es que el Pitcher no tiene valor de daño y por tanto no harías nada... pero en este caso el "éxito" sería plantar un repetidor en el suelo en vez de dañar la tropa enemiga. Que entra en la categoría de "quiero plantar una base donde está una tropa enemiga" como poco... y su legalidad es dudosa, claro.
As Sibelius says, it would be Normal Rolls. It's not equivalent to Hacking vs BS Attack because in that situation both troopers can affect each other. The Pitcher can't affect the enemy trooper, so Normal Rolls not Face to Face.
Yeah, that's why I say the legality would be dubious. I was just posting the only example I can think of about why would you not use the optional "no target" quality of the pitcher, and I agree the "place repeater next to an enemy with an ARO and avoid a shot plan" is busted.
