I'm trying to understand if buying a starter nomads is wise than to buy only a single molbile models. Do you use alguaciles in kq? Are they useful or useless?
I play against a QK player regularly, and he uses them frequently as cheerleaders, cheap DZ guards, and so on. They doesn't seem to be essential, but work well in these roles. This here is his take on them from the QK guide:
They're fine, but our ghilman are amazing. The high WIP makes them more effective as specialists and the underslung LSG makes them surprisingly dangerous in CQB. If you're spending SWC, you usually want a slightly more dangerous model, or at least one that can link. As strictly order monkeys, however, they do have their purpose.
Ghulams are really good but if you literally want a couple of basic regular order chumps, Alguaciles save you a few points and are, in all practical ways in 9/10 games, just as good. I take them on occasion, sure.
Like in this list, I made it, I had 20pts left. What do I spent that 20pts on? Welllll two more orders, basically, and that's Alguaciles. They can fuel the Yuan Yuans or Leila when she goes for objectives and takes out light, vulnerable troops (or goes Cybermask and then is a decent mid-field hunter). I have a variety of specialists and I have only got 0.5 SWC left, and I don't want anything more in the second combat group for orders to go into, so I might as well bulk up with Alguaciles and go for order supremacy. Qapu Khalqi ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 SEKBAN Spitfire / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 27) SEKBAN Heavy Rocket Launcher, Chain-colt / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23) SEKBAN Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Chain-colt / Pistol, Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24) HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17) HAFZA Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) ODALISQUE Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 30) ODALISQUE (Fireteam: Haris) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25) HAFZA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17) DJANBAZAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31) HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26) GROUP 2 4 2 2 LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8) YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8) ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
The Alguacil Forward Observer comes with a deployable repeater, that's the model I usually go for if I don't take a Ghulam FO.
Thanks guys. If i'llfind a super offer i'll take the starter otheerwise i take a sample brigada Do you know if new sectorial will have some nomad units
I would really doubt it. QK is pretty much the only sectoral that will have nomad units as they dont fit anywhere else.
Thanks guys, just last question Do you use Brigada in KQ? Seems to me that nomad pieces are pretty useless in KQ....
They are definitely not. Alguaciles provide cheap orders which make it possible to run two fully functional Combat Groups. With 5 8 point REMs and 4 Algs you have 9 orders for just 80 points. Plenty of points left for Fireteams, Infiltrators and what else a mission demands. The Brigada brings a Multi Rifle and Light Flamethrower on a resilient chassis an it has a Cube which pairs well with our Doctors.. A good tool to root out threats that made it into or close to your Deployment Zone. It is pricey, but it was it worth often for me at least. The Missile Launcher loadout isnt linkable, but if you want one anyway and cant afford a Janissary Link, then the Brigada is the better option due to his cube again. It also has Courage which lets you decide to pass or fail the Guts roll. Compared to the Janissarys Religious, where you can fail your WIP roll and have to stay in the open, when you dont want to, the Brigada is better again. The conclusion is, like so many things in Infinity, the Nomad units have their use, but they are neither mandatory nor useless. If you like their look or their rules, you can make them work. If not, QK has enough other stuff to make a good list.
The Mobile Brigada hacker is also the most survivable fast hacker and the only normal hacker with any BTS.
Iguana, for a crazy assault "launch and forget" TAG that can also help clean the enemy table of KHD, letting your 3 Hawwas AHD advance and grab those sweet secondary objectives. Brigada Vs Janissary: Has a cube, has a light flamethrower. I would still pick the Az'rail, unless you need a HI Lt 3 points and 0.5SWC cheaper than the Janissary... but he will have only a Boarding Shotgun. Alguaciles... well, order monkeys, as people say. If you plan to use them, forget the starter, go directly for the SWC box. And for the Brigada, use a Janissary (if you will place no other on the table) or an Asawira (which cannot be on QK, so there won't be confusions).
@Doa Far from useless! But well, I wrote an entire tactical guide to QK, and kept it updated through edition change... Alguaciles, as @Stiopa already quoted: either cheerleaders, or cheap specialists. Mobile Brigada: the resilient Hacker, the HMG gunner who is as resilient as Janissary, but has more common sense than bravado (i.e. Courage rather than Religious - and can fail or pass Guts rolls as he likes), the Multirifle+LFT being a versatile assault piece... Iguana: inexpensive and nasty TAG with a Repeater on top. You can afford to use and lose it, there'd be still a plenty of points left in your list for other goodies... and while Iggy's brittle, she's still a TAG with a HMG, and thus hits like one: your opponent can't afford to ignore it.
Just to toss my 2 eurocents in: Alguaciles are great because they are our cheapest cheerleaders rocking the threat factor of being a HRL Hafza in reality. (Hafzas cannot pose as REMs because they have different silhouette values.) When your opponent sees a lowly Alguacile he will always has to consider the possibility of a nasty ARO...
As some have said, they're mainly cheerleaders. In this role, they can be eclipsed a bit by the cheaper Fanous/Kameels (the former usually having more defense capability, the latter having utility, and both having repeaters while being 2 points less)... but! 1.) They make excellent Lts/Decoy Lts. (so much the better if you have a Hafza Lt and no intention of linking). Because the cheapest profile is identical in points to the Lt option, you can usually have a couple and perhaps lure a Fiday, LGL or other great Lt killer. And if it is your Lt, great - again, cheap and therefore easy enough to have decoys for. SWC counting is also rarely a thing in QK so if you have 1 spare, why not. 2.) They make decent coordinate suppressing fire (usually with the Doctor and/or Rafiq imo). There isn't always a lot of this in QK (what with running links, irregulars, shotgun Hafza etc...) but late game when the links are all finished, it can be nice sometimes to have one of these guys still standing and providing a bit of overwatch on an objective. 3.) They are the cheapest normal hacking device in case you want supportware for your Shihab, fairy dust, etc. Once in a great while I contemplate the 12 point FO/DP profile (if I already have an Alguacile and don't have 3 points for a Nasmat/Warcor) just to squeeze that extra specialist in, but it's admittedly corner case. Brief bit of wishlist - What I wouldn't mind? Fireteam special (Haris) - 1 Brigada, 2 Alguaciles. Yes please. The big guns would have new life, the specialist profiles make a ton of sense, and it's similarly costed to other Haris teams in the sect. I mean not that I'm complaining because I love the way QK is designed honestly, but it would be a nice utility gain and pretty flavorful for the sectorial.
Personaly I have never played any al'waziri. I have only one (from corregidor starter) and I bought Mobile brigada from Splitbox (Never played him eighter)... If you need just MB or waziri, try Splitbox (somewhere here on forum)
I think I'm just going to repeat what others have said. In my experience, I've always been grateful for the Alguacil Multi-Sniper Rifle. She has one of the highest kill count in my army. The Mobile Brigada with Multi-Rifle and LFT has been my Lt of choice for quite some time (to the point my opponents know this in advance; and still can't leave me in Loss of Lt). It really comes to having more tools in your toolbox. Ghilim are amazing, but they don't have a FO that can also drop repeaters, or have access to MSR.
